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Actually since the beginning of 2014-now I get a total of 1-5 against Rogie and 3-11 against Djokovic, so it's actually 4-16, only 20% of the time did Rafa win (or another way, 8 of every 10 matches he lost, wow that's bad)...

The 4 wins were: 2014 AO SF over Rogie (I remember the giant blister on Rafa's hand and yet still he beat Rogie in 3 sets), 2014 FO F over Djokovic (match point was a double fault for Djokovic, 2012 FO F was too for that matter), 2017 Madrid SF (Djokovic was struggling during this time), and 2018 Rome SF (a really struggling Djokovic here)...

The 16 losses were: to Rogie (2015 Basel F, 2017 AO F, 2017 IW 4th round, 2017 Miami F, and 2017 Shanghai F), and to Djokovic (2014 Miami F, 2014 Rome F, 2015 MC SF, 2015 FO QF, 2015 Beijing F, 2015 WTF SF, 2016 Doha F, 2016 Indian Wells SF, 2016 Rome QF, 2018 W SF, and 2019 AO F)...
 

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Reality has passed Nadal and his clueless fans... who still live in the Fedal era (2006-10).

Seriously, not even the biggest overhauls in his game (getting more aggressive, improved serve + shortening points) have been paying dividents in recent 4.5 years, apart from clay.
Because he didn't meet Fed on clay, and Djokovic couldn't give much time for him apart from returning from a career threatening injury last year where he was beatable not only for Nadal.

The Spaniard slowly, but gradually lost all his matchup advantages against Fedovic. He was even only that much complacent that he had realized it too late, changed his coach, but that also didn't really help in this regard... so all in vain for Rafito it seems. :grin2:
 

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Rafa has been incredibly overrated on HC for a while now, whenever he goes on a mini run like in Toronto last year, people think he's the man to beat. Yes he's a top 5 HC player but a bunch of dudes can give him a serious run.
 

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Most of the losses is against Novak though. And let's be honest Roger and Novak didnt meet as on clay these past few years. The number can be much different on terre battue.

You can present pretty much the same stats about Roger vs Nadal-Djoko in the last 8 years for example. The number must be ugly
 

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Wow, I didn't know this stat was so bad :surprise:
 

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so all in vain for Rafito it seems :grin2:
Except for 4 slams he won, oodles of masters and other titles, many weeks as#1 added to his tally and so on... The changes he made allowed him to be one of the top dogs to beat at the age, when most predicted he'll be long retired. Or in other words thank god tennis doesn't start nor ends with Big 3 and their rivalries.
 

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Yeah it sounds awful 4--16, but this stat is very deceiving as an overall indicator because:
Djok was so bad 2016 2nd half 2017 he only met Rafa once.
So if Djok had not been so totally bad he might have met Rafa more and been beaten. Rafa clobbered Djok easily in 2017 and early 2018 clay.
But 2016-2016 Rafa was slumping, yet still managed to meet Djok 4 times in 2015, and 3 times in 2016.

IN other words, Rafa never got as bad as Djok in his slumps and still made more finals, but lost to Djok, Djok was so bad in his slump they met way less during his slumps.

Fed has not played clay last two years and hasn't met Rafa on clay during the rest of that period.
Before the one win Rafa had against Fed ao 2014, Rafa beat Fed 5 times in a row. So you picked a very selective 5 year window which shows a very weak win ratio.

So I don't give a shit about this stat
 

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Just have to add--this takes nothing away from Djok's win today. he pulverized Rafa
But don't draw erroneous conclusions from it about past results in a selective window. Gpo back 7 years, not five, and he looks fine against Fedovic
 

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Numbers don't say everything. For me, both Federer and Djokovic probably have a higher tennis IQ. They are able to adapt to the opponent's game more by changing certain aspects of their own game.

Nadal's aggressive tennis at this year's AO was hyped by the media. I read about 'Nadal 2.0' in newspapers and online. Uhm, do they really think an almost 33 year old legend of the game will totally abandon his normal style of play? No, he needed it to have a shot and he could have won the title against other players.
 

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ehhhhhh a large number of those losses (especiallly to Djokovic) were in 2015/2016, arguably Nadal's worst seasons of his career since 05.

It's true Nadal lost to Fed 4 times in 2017, but AO was practically a draw, Shanghai was when Nadal was clearly hampered physically, and because Roger took off clay and got upset at the US Open, Nadal didn't get some opportunities to play Roger at his favorite events.


Basically you take 15/16 away and look individually at some of the matches and suddenly the H2H against them doesn't look so poor in recent years. He hasn't played Roger since 2017, was 1-1 against Djokovic last year.


also why arbitrarily pick 'the last 5 years'? because if you said "the last 6 years" or the "the last 4 years" suddenly his record against them wouldn't look nearly as bad. Kind of picking and choosing using that particular time span. Everyone already knows Nadal was absolute shit in 2015/2016 and had a loss streak against Fed in 2017, despite playing well. Nothing new there
 

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Rafa is the ultimate warrior, the predator of tennis.
However he is one-dimensional player, he cannot vary a lot.
He makes little adjustments, but cannot make bigger transformations, like Novak or Roger.
His game is effective against most players, but not against all. Once player figures him out, it is hard for Rafa to turn it back.
Roger needed much more time to figure out Rafa then Novak.
One reason for this is that Roger is the stubborn one, although it may not seem like that.
He refused to seek to exploit weaknesses in Nadal's game, he wanted to beat him playing his own game, but that was not possible with one-handed backhand.
Once Roger admitted to himself that he cannot beat Nadal using his own game, but that he must seek for a weakness, he started to win. Too late to turn around the rivalry, but enough to make it competitive.
 
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