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I want Haas to win but he's out of form so Roddick easily :(
 

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I was suprised at their H2H stats. And even more suprised that Haas has won their last 2 meetings.

However, Andy's got this one. :yeah:
 

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Well Haas leads the h2h 6-3 but Roddick leads on hard courts 3-2.

Having said that this has always been a tough match-up for Andy. Haas has the defensive slice BH that neutralises the inside-out FH and causes so many problems. Bottom line, MTF has voted Roddick 2-0 and we all know what that means. :eek:
 

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if it wouldn't be so no gambling would exist as everyone would make money from betting. the majority will always be wrong on average.
:confused: In terms of who will wins? Do you know that or are you just assuming because I think that's counter intuative logic. From what I see the majority almost always expects the favourite to win and the favourite does win far more often than not. People don't make money from gambling still because of the odds.
 

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if it wouldn't be so no gambling would exist as everyone would make money from betting. the majority will always be wrong on average.
:confused: In terms of who will wins? Do you know that or are you just assuming because I think that's counter intuative logic. From what I see the majority almost always expects the favourite to win and the favourite does win far more often than not. People don't make money from gambling still because of the odds.
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I'm not an expert on betting, but I would assume that odds makers adjust the odds such that the expected value of the bets (that is, the probability of one outcome times the payout, minus the amount staked) would be zero. So it's not important how many people are wrong, but how much was staked on the wrong outcome. Theoretically, I would think that the total amount won would be equal to the total amount lost on a bet. Therefore, the net amount made on the bets would be zero.

In actuality, maybe this is not true. I don't know much about the actual statistics and tendencies of betters. And of course, if you subscribe to the jinx-betting method, you can throw all of what I said out the window. :lol:
 

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What was wrong with my statement?
People don't make money from gambling still because of the odds.

Odds are not the reason why people doesn´t make money at gambling. In fact, the way to make money at gambling in the long run is finding the wrong odds, meaning by this those which offer a deviation big enough between an accurate estimation and the one implied by them
 

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I'm not an expert on betting, but I would assume that odds makers adjust the odds such that the expected value of the bets (that is, the probability of one outcome times the payout, minus the amount staked) would be zero. So it's not important how many people are wrong, but how much was staked on the wrong outcome. Theoretically, I would think that the total amount won would be equal to the total amount lost on a bet. Therefore, the net amount made on the bets would be zero.
Oddsmakers try to adjust the odds according to the estimation they had on an event to occur, yes, but bookmakers make their profit bc the margin they work with as they´re not offering a fair deal to the gamblers (they won´t offer @2 odds on both sides in a 50% tennis match, they might offer @1.95, @1.90 or lower) it´s not so important to them how many people are right of wrong, they depend in a much higher percentage on the action they receive in those offers, it´s a simple statistics issue.
 

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People don't make money from gambling still because of the odds.

Odds are not the reason why people doesn´t make money at gambling. In fact, the way to make money at gambling in the long run is finding the wrong odds, meaning by this those which offer a deviation big enough between an accurate estimation and the one implied by them
Actually, all I meant was that the reason gamblers tend to lose out overall is the fact that odds exist, if you got the same payback from betting on Federer or betting on GGL then everyone would be making money. I know that is stating the obvious but it was neccesary to say that to Bilbo because obviously the majority of people pick the favourite the majority of the time and the majority of the time the favourite wins, if odds didn't exist at all in gambling (it was just double or quits each tim for instance) the gamblers would always win.

What I don't understand is this:

Odds are not the reason why people doesn´t make money at gambling.
bookmakers make their profit bc the margin they work with as they´re not offering a fair deal to the gamblers
Are these two statements not contradictory? I thought that people lost money gambling because the odds are stacked against them, the simple example of a 50/50 tennis match not being @2 on each side illustrates this. If the bookies are making money this way then logically the people are losing, that's what I was trying to say.
 
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