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To the people who have watched most Andy Murray matches over the years, and not just when he plays their idols in SFs or Finals, it is obvious that Andy is attacking more than ever, and playing better tennis than 2012-2013.

So many people who don't watch Murray jump on "Slam win = Peak Murray" when 2008 or 2011 were probably his best years of playing to date.

The 2nd serve is often and rightly criticised, but he was serving around 80mph in Olympic win, and since Munich 2015 the speed of his 2nd serve is often in the high 90s, even if it still gets cowardly in big moments. He is also ripping his BH, lobbing for fun, and flattening out his FH.

Apart from 2 tanks, Murray has only lost to Nole and Fedbot this year. He has corrected H2Hs with Berdych and Botnic, and slapped down Dimi and Kei after 2014.

As for Djokovic, Murray has folded in final sets twice, and after leading in AO final, despite playing the more attacking tennis for most of the matches. IW trampoline court is where Djoker rightly dominated.

Nole is pushing like a machine this year, but crucially is redlining in big moments, whereas Andy is folding in the clutch against the Big 2.

Djoker's retrieving and antics have worn down the mind of Murray, and Andy ends up beating himself, but if he mans up on his service games like Nole has with Boris, 2015ray's tennis cannot be defeated.

If Bjorkman continues to perfect Botray, it is game over for Djoker.
 

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8-0, I leave it there, just for a reminder.
 

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Dustin Brown has played better tennis than Murray this year. :worship:

Where is fastgrass when you need him? :(
 

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He will net a win soon..

In terms of baseline he is playing better than anyone else this year.

Lost due to that erratic serve.
 

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He's playing better, but he lost 8 times in a row? But he's playing better, right? :facepalm:
 

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If he is playing better why hasn't he won a match vs. Djokovic ?

Common sense cannot be found.
 
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Bjorkmanray is unbeatable.
He played his peak tennis vs Anderson.
 

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Damn, it's hard to watch that again. Andy in Aus Open finals... :eek:

He's obviously not playing better than Djokovic, but he's generally played very well in 2015, and there's every reason to be optimistic. The backhand wing was compromised for a long time before he eventually went under the knife. Remember everyone saying that under Lendl the backhand had regressed? I don't think it was Lendl's fault in any way - he just wasn't comfortable hitting it.
 

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Better than Djokovic? No. Overall the 2nd best player by a good margin? Yes.
 

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Exactly, and the difference is that Andy is a coward in those battles now, despite playing better.
dude, its tennis, not figure skating. score shows pretty much who is playing better... you are also saying he is playing more aggressive then Novak.
i will just say,
Roland Garros: winners, 56-36 for Novak, break points Novak 6/19, Murray 3/4. he didn't have mental lapses, nor he was scared, Novak simply destroy him, and it is miracle it went to 5 sets(it should've been finished in 3)... unfortunately, there is no distance in RG stats, would love to see it as Murray run for at least 500m more, if not full km
Australian Open: winners, first two sets, before uber aggressive Murray fall for Novak's antics, winners 19-12 first set, 18-13 second set. ofc Murray running more...

Novak has outplayed Murray in every match they played, moving him from left to right with ease, completely draining him, and then serving him bagels...

he is so far behind Novak, its not comparable. this year Nadal is closer to him then he is to Novak
 

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To the people who have watched most Andy Murray matches over the years, and not just when he plays their idols in SFs or Finals, it is obvious that Andy is attacking more than ever, and playing better tennis than 2012-2013.

So many people who don't watch Murray jump on "Slam win = Peak Murray" when 2008 or 2011 were probably his best years of playing to date.

The 2nd serve is often and rightly criticised, but he was serving around 80mph in Olympic win, and since Munich 2015 the speed of his 2nd serve is often in the high 90s, even if it still gets cowardly in big moments. He is also ripping his BH, lobbing for fun, and flattening out his FH.

Apart from 2 tanks, Murray has only lost to Nole and Fedbot this year. He has corrected H2Hs with Berdych and Botnic, and slapped down Dimi and Kei after 2014.

As for Djokovic, Murray has folded in final sets twice, and after leading in AO final, despite playing the more attacking tennis for most of the matches. IW trampoline court is where Djoker rightly dominated.

Nole is pushing like a machine this year, but crucially is redlining in big moments, whereas Andy is folding in the clutch against the Big 2.

Djoker's retrieving and antics have worn down the mind of Murray, and Andy ends up beating himself, but if he mans up on his service games like Nole has with Boris, 2015ray's tennis cannot be defeated.

If Bjorkman continues to perfect Botray, it is game over for Djoker.
Can't agree with this.
Even if your analysis of Djokovic was right (and at times, I hate Djokovics game) people remember slam wins.
At the moment the year looks like this

1) Novak Djokovic (2 slams)
2) Stan Wawrinka (1 slam [against Djokovic])
3) Andy Murray (lots of almosts)
4) Roger Federer (1 Final)

I'm rooting for Andy at the US. He's put together an incredible year. Really should be capped with slam win.

But as is, even if he loses in the final and Wawrinka loses in the first round, Wawrinka's 2015 year will still be better remembered amongst the general tennis watching public let alone Djokovic.

If we want Murray's year to be memorable, best case scenario would be a slam win against Djokovic in the final at the US. At the very least then, he'll be remembered as the clear #2 this year.
 

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Can't agree with this.
Even if your analysis of Djokovic was right (and at times, I hate Djokovics game) people remember slam wins.
At the moment the year looks like this

1) Novak Djokovic (2 slams)
2) Stan Wawrinka (1 slam [against Djokovic])
3) Andy Murray (lots of almosts)
4) Roger Federer (1 Final)

I'm rooting for Andy at the US. He's put together an incredible year. Really should be capped with slam win.

But as is, even if he loses in the final and Wawrinka loses in the first round, Wawrinka's 2015 year will still be better remembered amongst the general tennis watching public let alone Djokovic.

If we want Murray's year to be memorable, best case scenario would be a slam win against Djokovic in the final at the US. At the very least then, he'll be remembered as the clear #2 this year.
Incredbile year? Because he played 1 GS final and won 1 Masters?
 

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He'd probably be better than Djokovic if he managed to improve his second serve, but I'm just stating the obvious.
2nd serve is by far not the only thing that separates them quality wise.
 
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