[Dominic S]

When you have to cross the street at night because there is a white woman walking her dog and you are afraid that she will be afraid of you for no reason other than skin color, talk to me.

I will talk to you Johnny Groove.

Do you want to know why that white woman is afraid of you? I'll tell you why.

In America, young black males (ages 14-40) make up only about 5% of the US Population. This 5% commits > 50% of all ****s, murders, assaults, and robberies in the US. So when you have a small segment of the population, doing such an excessive amount of crime relative to what their population represents, you should understand why everyone would want to keep their distance from that group.

Now you may say - "But I've never *****, murdered, or assaulted anyone".

I say - it doesn't matter. You are going to be stereotyped with the characteristics of your group. It's no different than looking at blacks as the most athletic, or Asians as the smartest, Hippies as potheads, or Italians as being mob related. And if your group is known for a high violent crime rate, citizens/cops/ will look at you in a skeptical manner.

You want to stop that behavior? Start demanding your own group of people (which are causing you personally to have a bad reputation) behave better. Stop committing crime. Obey the police. Be friendly and polite. That's it.

MLK said to judge a man by his character. When that white woman goes to the other side of the street to avoid you, she's judging you by your group's character. And your group (young black males ages 14-40) have had an overwhelmingly destructive, violent, ignorant character compared to their peers.

 

[Spectator75]

@Fatima, my apologies is I have failed to express myself fully or properly. I guess what I was trying to convey is we all have fears, founded or unfounded yet some fears are more or less understood and tolerated and others don't. From what I gather, she does not have fear of gay men as a group but of the risk when and if she engages with certain gay men base on risk profile and statistic. A mother has no fear of men in general but in other circumstances base of what they think are calculated risk would choose the level of engagement differently. They are similar in that they both have fears base on perceived likely threat to their health and safety.

As a society we need to be more understanding and be more tolerant. If we are more tolerant to a mother regarding her choice to exclude a male baby sitter than we should also be tolerant towards a female gay porn star who chooses to not have sex with gay men who "crossover".

 

[Johnny Groove]

oh jezuz... you are literally projecting your views unto other people and merely assuming.

the bold is not even a thing.

yea, its not.

the only racism happening right now is the anti-white mentality, ala, yours.

I will refer to this post: Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops - View Single Post - Joyner Lucas's "I'm not Racist" proves why black people are the most racist

I mean, if you really believe this, I don't think there is anything I can say. That was the most racist song I've ever seen, I read the lyrics for the first verse, but I was done after that. Then I read the 2nd verse, and it was 100% spot on. I like how it ended. But I can totally understand black folks not wanting to listen to any more than the first verse, as it is just the same old shit. 2nd verse, our story, is the one that is rarely told.

Even worse than the white moderate is the race denier, who not only doesn't believe racism happened or is still happening, but actively tries to paint THEMSELVES as the victim. And this goes for all races and orientations, anyone who is discriminated against. The discriminator is not the oppressed.

You want to hear what it is really all about? From a white person who knows what he is talking about with regards to this?

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By the way, my father is white. I have these kinds of conversations with him all the time and he still doesn't get it, so I will be patient with you.

Think about it, mate. You can't empathize with a dead person because they're dead and not feeling anything anymore. You can empathize with what they felt before they died, that's different. Point is, she doesn't need compassion anymore; rather, the ones attacking her need a dose of cold shower. Take care for the living, not the dead.

So no, I'm not feeling sad over a self-kill, which is a stupid thing to do unless you're terminally ill or horribly crippled; I'm rather angry at the equally idiotic mugs pushing yet another emotionally unstable human being in that direction with full intent. She committed the ultimate wrong against herself and, with the very act, paid the ultimate price, but those who worked to drive her to suicide are looking to escape scot-free, and that's the really disgusting thing about this.

I don't feel August Ames is dead. She will live forever. Her name, her spirit, her work, her memory. She still lives. 2pac has been dead for 20 years, but if you listen to the radio here in LA, you'd think he is not only alive, but #1 on the charts. I don't feel that just because your body expires biologically, that your soul and spirit have left the realm. She does need compassion. She, her family, and any woman that may be in a similar situation.

As for the ones who bullied her into this, they are feeling probably pretty shitty and guilty right now as it is. They have their own demons to face privately. That is a much more difficult proposition. It is not about living forever, but living WITH YOURSELF forever.

I hope that her death spurs the porn industry to take these things more seriously, standardize the testing, and open the doors for discussions where everyone can air their feelings and we can all talk and hash things out and come to a conclusion that works for everybody. It is such a sad sad thing that happened and her and her family, yes, deserve sympathy and help. She was clearly feeling depressed before this happened, and others out there need to have an avenue for help if they need it.

I will talk to you Johnny Groove.

Do you want to know why that white woman is afraid of you? I'll tell you why.

In America, young black males (ages 14-40) make up only about 5% of the US Population. This 5% commits > 50% of all ****s, murders, assaults, and robberies in the US. So when you have a small segment of the population, doing such an excessive amount of crime relative to what their population represents, you should understand why everyone would want to keep their distance from that group.

First of all, where did you get these numbers? Are they real? Or just doctored or exaggerated to spark the already dry wood of racism?

Now you may say - "But I've never *****, murdered, or assaulted anyone".

I say - it doesn't matter. You are going to be stereotyped with the characteristics of your group. It's no different than looking at blacks as the most athletic, or Asians as the smartest, Hippies as potheads, or Italians as being mob related. And if your group is known for a high violent crime rate, citizens/cops/ will look at you in a skeptical manner.

See this is where we need to change. I understand and agree that this is true, but it needs to change. When I was 22, I was cranking up my car at 730 am to go to work. A cop busts into the car, pulls me out, throws me onto my own car, puts me in cuffs, and asks whose car it was. I said it was mine. He thought I was stealing my own damn car. Another cop had his gun pointed at me and laughed. "Good thing! I was about to pull the trigger, ha!"

When your life gets boiled down to a laugh, that is when you will know. When people see you as so sub-human, that your existence, your life, is seen as less valuable. And this was in my own neighborhood, steps away from the house I grew up in. My mother would have had no recourse. I could have been murdered steps from the door for no other reason than a neighbor had called the cops because she saw a black (mixed) man starting a nice car and automatically thought I was stealing it. The cops assumed I was guilty before innocent. Is that right? Is that how it should be? No. We need to change it. It was LAW on the books that we are 3/5th of a person for many years. That mentality still persists. We must change it.

You do not have to give in to stereotypes.

You want to stop that behavior? Start demanding your own group of people (which are causing you personally to have a bad reputation) behave better. Stop committing crime. Obey the police. Be friendly and polite. That's it.

We are doing all of these things. I know hundreds and hundreds of black people. Not a single one has ever committed any crime. But every single one has several police stories. Why is that?

White folks have committed more crimes than any other group and it is not close. Just about every single mass shooting in this country is by a white man. The white run American government has broken every single treaty it has ever made with the Native American population.

But we as black people we have to give white folks every benefit of the doubt? While we are seen automatically as criminals? Explain this to me.

MLK said to judge a man by his character. When that white woman goes to the other side of the street to avoid you, she's judging you by your group's character. And your group (young black males ages 14-40) have had an overwhelmingly destructive, violent, ignorant character compared to their peers.

You must have missed the part where it was ME who had to go to the other street to avoid HER. I'M the one that is scared for my safety. Why is it that you seem to feel it is ok to be prejudiced? How would you feel if every person felt as though you were a criminal and there was nothing you could do about it? How would you feel if your sibling was murdered on your own front lawn for no reason at all and you had no recourse for it? And the murderer went away with not only no jail time, but paid leave?

 

[80361]

Most likely is going to happen. :shrug:

I believe all people should be treated equally, despite gender, race, sexual preference and any other duality stuff related.

But looks like the activists of the minorities disagree. They want to be treated different, they think they are superior now, because of decades/centuries of oppression. Anyone who thinks different than them is sexist, racist, homophobic, etc, sadly this is the world we currently live.

I wished you were drunk. But I fear it's worse:stupid:

All your "gay deserve less respect". Should shut their mouth and be thankful, that they didn't get punch in their face for their sex preferences. And then you come up with this stuff

For nuts like you the Youtube comment section was created. Maybe you try it out... Good luck

 

[Stan del Potro]

Laughing at suicide oh how adult

Shame, she looked good. Again Homosexualityism won and made world in ruins

 

[Heroic Atreides]

Obviously it could be a never ending debate, like feminism-antifeminism and such.
Sad story that the liberals are ignorant of the facts that biology dictates. Mother Nature will teach us a thing or 2 before even darker things will happen to us... in this civilization.

 

[RocketMan70]

Not sure what is your point. I know all the stuff you wrote is true and it's very difficult to be changed. I don't deny society is racist and hypocrite in essence because it is.

Do you think this gives minorities (in this case it was gay community) the right of crucify and bully a person just because she thinks differently? I don't think so, acting this way they are just practicing prejudice themselves. :shrug:

The funny thing is she has crossed over herself, as lesbian scenes are mainstream porn, whereas gay porn is not.
In that sense it is hypocritical.
Still, there is no denying that she has the right to protect herself sexually, and the gay community not to deny that their version of sex has more risks involved.

 

[RocketMan70]

As suspected anyway, there is more to the story than just online trolls:

August Ames: Adult film star revealed tragic past of sexual abuse and mental health issues before death | The Independent

August Ames: Adult film star revealed tragic past of sexual abuse and mental health issues before death
There has been an outpouring of condolences on social media

Chelsea Ritschel in New York 19 hours ago


The Independent US

Adult film actress August Ames opened up about childhood sexual abuse, mental health issues, and drug abuse, just weeks before her death from a reported suicide.

The 23-year-old - who’d starred in almost 290 movies - died in Camarillo, California, on Tuesday morning - after a homophobia row.

She had been under heavy criticism for saying she refused to work with men who have also appeared in gay pornography, actors who, in the industry, are described as “crossover” performers.


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Adult entertainment actor, 23, found dead after homophobia row
On September 13, less than two months before her death, she appeared on the Holly Randall Unfiltered podcast for a wide-ranging hour-long interview.

In it, she revealed that she’d experienced “a lot of sexual molestation” when she was growing up, but said the perpetrator was not her father.

She said the trauma of the abuse was compounded because she was not believed when she raised the alarm.

“It was just awful. It’s still recent where I have to keep myself occupied or else I start thinking about all that s*** and then I fall into a depression.

“I try to do therapy. I hate that word. I hate therapy.”


Ames felt judged by therapists because of her profession
She said that one of the reasons she disliked therapy is because therapists would judge her for her profession.

“I would get in contact with some people and then I would feel badly because they’d be like ‘what’s your profession and I’d be like ‘oh, I’m in the adult industry’ and then I’d feel like they’re like ‘oh, that’s the whole reason that you are the way you are’ and then I’d get turned off.”

She touched on the use and abuse of drugs during the hour-long chat, revealing that when she was 15, the father of a child she was babysitting offered her cocaine if she would strip naked.

She said she’d used drugs to escape her issues, saying: “I don’t drink alcohol anymore. When I would drink, I’d black out every time. I used to smoke a lot of weed too, I used to be a big stoner but I’ve cut that out too. I just drink water now.”

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Ames added that she was using medication to deal with bipolar disorder, depression and multiple personality disorder.

“It was so hard when I wasn’t on any medication when I’d just flip, you know? It was crippling.”

Towards the end of the podcast, she said that when she’s feeling low and depressed, she goes through her old photos to look for a happy selfie to post on Instagram to her followers.

After learning of his younger sister’s death, the actress’s brother lashed out at social media bullies, blaming the online abuse for his sister’s death.

Ames husband, Kevin Moore, asked for privacy during the difficult time, after telling industry trade magazine Adult Video News, “She was the kindest person I ever knew and she meant the world to me.”

Since the news of Ames death, there has been an outpouring of condolences on social media, with friends and industry professionals sharing touching tributes to the starlet.

The Ventura County Medical Examiner’s Office has not yet revealed the cause of death.

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[Time Violation]

First of all, where did you get these numbers? Are they real? Or just doctored or exaggerated to spark the already dry wood of racism?

From Wikipedia, race and crime in the US:

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness

 

[Johnny Groove]

From Wikipedia, race and crime in the US:

When someone is pushed to the edge, can't get jobs or education, and the only ways to get money are illegal, of course people will turn to crime as a last resort before death. Also, millions are arrested but never charged, only get stuck in jail due to being unable to pay bail. Tons are in while innocent.

Does not excuse it at all, just giving context

 

[Time Violation]

When someone is pushed to the edge, can't get jobs or education, and the only ways to get money are illegal, of course people will turn to crime as a last resort before death. Also, millions are arrested but never charged, only get stuck in jail due to being unable to pay bail. Tons are in while innocent.

Not disagreeing, however that stat is mostly about juvenile crimes/minors, who are still too young to be affected by jobs, crime is hardly last resort for them.

 

[Dominic S]

Why is it that you seem to feel it is ok to be prejudiced?

Prejudiced means to "Pre-Judge" someone before knowing them. Since it is completely impossible and impractical to know the history/personality of a stranger before meeting them, most people will prejudge a person based on their group's characteristics and I don't have a problem with it. Obviously, some prejudices are harmless - like going into a classroom and thinking Asians are the smartest, or onto a basketball court and thinking the white's are the worst players. That I don't have an issue with. But as far as crime goes and staying away from people that are more likely to commit crime, I don't have an issue with it either. Would you have an issue with a girl not wanting to attend a party at a drunken frat house? There's a stereotype there of getting *****. Does that mean all frat guys will **** a girl? Of course not.

I am a supporter of racial profiling. If you want to stop crime, look for criminals. If you want to stop terrorism, look for terrorists. FBI Crime Data tells us by racial demographic who commits these crimes and who is responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks. So use that data. Everyday citizens sub-consciously are always making judgments in their head about people they don't know.

The problem I have with blacks blaming the police for racial profiling is that the cops are not going out of their way to hassle black people. They are trying to protect innocent black people, from criminal black people. Most crimes committed by blacks are against another black person. So when they are investigating black suspects, they are actually helping to prevent future black on black crime.

 

[redshift]

@Ichbinmüde nailed it, it is largely an industry problem that needs to be identified and tackled. There are simply not enough safeguards in place to ensure the sexual health and wellbeing of adult performers. This tweet is a 'fortunate' one in some ways, but very costly. For every case we hear about, there are dozens more where stars keep completely silent because they are afraid of losing their job or being shamed. It is sad to hear August suffered so much in this industry.

What would a proper safeguard be like?

1. Most consumers want to watch bareback sex so either male or female condoms are a no go.

2. Have a dedicated testlab where performers get tested everyday? I mean dedicated so that the results come in a matter of an hour or so. Getting your veins needled everyday is not recommended, though.

3. Keep the 1 month testing period or whatever it is but monitor the life of performers to the point where the industry is confident they don't have unprotected sex with someone untested.

If gay/crossover actors are more likely to be infected that must be because they're less careful in their private lives because at work anal shouldn't matter as the performers should be clean in the first place.

 

[slamjunky]

I think the elephant in the room here is pornography itself...but that probably hits a little too close to home.

 

[redshift]

Not disagreeing, however that stat is mostly about juvenile crimes/minors, who are still too young to be affected by jobs, crime is hardly last resort for them.

Minors live in a bubble? Obviously the adults that make their environment have a big influence into what they become.

 

[Johnny Groove]

Not disagreeing, however that stat is mostly about juvenile crimes/minors, who are still too young to be affected by jobs, crime is hardly last resort for them.

You are never too young to be too poor

There is that, and then also the glorification of violence that I'd like to see go away.

Prejudiced means to "Pre-Judge" someone before knowing them. Since it is completely impossible and impractical to know the history/personality of a stranger before meeting them, most people will prejudge a person based on their group's characteristics and I don't have a problem with it. Obviously, some prejudices are harmless - like going into a classroom and thinking Asians are the smartest, or onto a basketball court and thinking the white's are the worst players. That I don't have an issue with. But as far as crime goes and staying away from people that are more likely to commit crime, I don't have an issue with it either. Would you have an issue with a girl not wanting to attend a party at a drunken frat house? There's a stereotype there of getting *****. Does that mean all frat guys will **** a girl? Of course not.

A drunken frat house is quite obviously a dangerous situation for a girl. Walking to your car to go to work should not be.

I am a supporter of racial profiling. If you want to stop crime, look for criminals. If you want to stop terrorism, look for terrorists. FBI Crime Data tells us by racial demographic who commits these crimes and who is responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks. So use that data. Everyday citizens sub-consciously are always making judgments in their head about people they don't know.

Wow

The problem I have with blacks blaming the police for racial profiling is that the cops are not going out of their way to hassle black people. They are trying to protect innocent black people, from criminal black people. Most crimes committed by blacks are against another black person. So when they are investigating black suspects, they are actually helping to prevent future black on black crime.

Did you not read what happened to me? How can you write that after reading what happened to me? All they did was go out of their way to hassle me. They did not protect me, the innocent one, they nearly killed me. Do you not see how dangerous prejudices are?

 

[redshift]

I think the elephant in the room here is pornography itself...but that probably hits a little too close to home.

It's true that not many women are psychologically prepared to work in the industry. In the case of Ames, I believe that being abused during childhood was the major issue, though.

 

[slamjunky]

It's true that not many women are psychologically prepared to work in the industry. In the case of Ames, I believe that being abused during childhood was the major issue, though.

You very well could be right, it is very hard to say what affect pornography had on her mental illness and well-being. Personally, I think the normalizing of pornography masks the consumers responsibility in proliferating an industry that is rife with abuse, sex trafficking, drug abuse, psychological trauma etc., not to mention the effect is has on youth, addiction, understanding of intimacy, objectification, self gratification and the list goes on. Just my 02 cents.

 

[MWW]

When someone is pushed to the edge, can't get jobs or education, and the only ways to get money are illegal, of course people will turn to crime as a last resort before death. Also, millions are arrested but never charged, only get stuck in jail due to being unable to pay bail. Tons are in while innocent.

Does not excuse it at all, just giving context

I will actually emphasise with you, knowing that many Aboriginal people in Australia undergo the same things, especially those living in remote communities. I watched a documentary where they took 6 non-indigenous Australians around the country to meet indigenous people living in their communities and it was quite a shock to their system that their stereotypes "Aboriginals are lazy. Dole bludgers/welfare stubbies. They choose to be in their situation" were being met head on and challenged. Indeed, it may be true that many Aboriginal people are unemployed, are more likely to end up in jail or abuse drugs and alcohol, but often their is a huge cultural component that is overlooked, and that radical interventions are required, and not a simple free choice of will to stop drinking, for instance. It was also found many Aboriginal people were in jail for minor things, such as driving without a license (cos they had to take their grandfather to the hospital) etc. but were trying to work hard to develop useful skills while in prison. And often the government does little in the way of policy and economic interest to improve the outlook for indigenous Australians, especially in remote communities. Things are not as simple as they look.

I found it really confronting and tough for the people on the show, some of it took it in easier than others, but everyone seemed to learn at least something about Aboriginal culture even if they may not be immediately affected. The take home message by the end was that amidst many difficulties, Aboriginals can be just like everyone else, sharing the same dreams, same hopes and same desires to be functional members of society. It's about trying to open doors to communication, let out steam on 'taboo' topics and understand that there is a lot that we don't know at all about Aboriginal people or their culture which leads to miscommunication. The show did well to illustrate that we won't think and feel the same way about things but that's ok as long as we know why, and that applies in many places. There's still a long way to go. I'd imagine difficulties to be amplified in black Americans because of how many there are (while few actually engage with or know Aboriginals in general), so stereotypes form a bigger part of American culture.

 

[MWW]

What would a proper safeguard be like?

1. Most consumers want to watch bareback sex so either male or female condoms are a no go.

2. Have a dedicated testlab where performers get tested everyday? I mean dedicated so that the results come in a matter of an hour or so. Getting your veins needled everyday is not recommended, though.

3. Keep the 1 month testing period or whatever it is but monitor the life of performers to the point where the industry is confident they don't have unprotected sex with someone untested.

If gay/crossover actors are more likely to be infected that must be because they're less careful in their private lives because at work anal shouldn't matter as the performers should be clean in the first place.

Of course it won't be black or white. In fact there is no such thing as 100% failsafe test. HIV viral load may be undetected especially during the first week or so after the infection, and of course false negatives are quite possible. I can only state that yes, there is personal responsibility in that these actors know the risks every time they engage particular in unprotected sex especially among those who do so with multiple partners. They should therefore be forthright about their sexual health and their encounters. Those who are not willing to take the risk should perform condom-only porn, or work for film companies who endorse condom sex (which some still watch, regardless). I assume this doesn't apply to her, but in this situation, she wanted to be more 'informed' to make rational decisions for herself. I think she should be entitled to know the history of the partners she will work with (which was deemed cloudy because of the worker's previous work in gay porn, where standards may be different, or where information may not be clearly transferred between agencies). If she felt she was not being informed, then that is a problem, and a responsibility for porn agencies to tackle beyond her own personal responsibilities.

I think the elephant in the room here is pornography itself...but that probably hits a little too close to home.

it's a burden of responsibility the porn production companies won't handle and refuse to because they make too much money. And yes there is a quite often a mismatch between consumer expectations and that of the performers. You really have to be there to understand it fully. All I can say is the life of a pornstar is not so glamorous as one might think, and although they are entertaining people on the camera, they also have a private and personal life which is not represented.