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Look at the evidence. Absolutely disgusting.

When Djokovic played Simon he had way more unforced errors and winners and when Nadal played Simon, Simon of all people had double the errors and more winners. Come on, only a blind person would not see the trend let alone from just watching him play on tv or in person. Nadal is a pusher if there ever was one in pro tennis and that's the truth. Of course he still wins but we can't sit here and bat an eye to how he does it. Its not really what tennis is supposed to be about or how you are taught to play. He is still one of the greatest of course but make no mistake, this man has made his career off of opponents not being able to finish him off. #truuu
 

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Simon usually has more winners vs Big 4 than usual, even against Federer.
 

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Simon usually has more winners vs Big 4 than usual, even against Federer.
Definitely not against Fed, all he does in that match is keep balls in play and hope Federer has an off day. There is literally nothing else he can do in that match up. Against Nadal, Simon uses his Safin like power lol to control points and against Djokovic he really doesn't have a chance, just like Federer but he can still be a little more aggressive and take chances because Novak has "some" pusher like tendencies when the chips are on the line. Done.
 

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Because Facts>Opinions
 

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Fact is big 3 are pushers with finishing shots. It is needed to be ATG level in modern game. Nadal and Djokovic upped the pushing since Federer days.
 

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lmao
Fact is big 3 are pushers with finishing shots. It is needed to be ATG level in modern game. Nadal and Djokovic upped the pushing since Federer days.
lmao, calling Djokovic a pusher is one thing but calling Federer one makes zero sense at all. Are you an idiot? the guy is easily the least mentally unfit of any player ever to have slams in the double digits and should be sitting here with 40 slams if he could play his best more often and didn't implode so much when things don't go his way.
 

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lmao

lmao, calling Djokovic a pusher is one thing but calling Federer one makes zero sense at all. Are you an idiot? the guy is easily the least mentally unfit of any player ever to have slams in the double digits and should be sitting here with 40 slams if he could play his best more often and didn't implode so much when things don't go his way.
Federer pushed lots during his prime with his slice and he has good defense side by side tricking opponents, his era opponents ball bash against him. Since 2014 his style is more aggressive is true because he is stubborn to believe the old age needing to use s&v theory.

Djok and Dal both are even more extreme pushers. Nadal likes to take the ball very very late close to 2nd bounce. Djokovic's Dhalsim sliding to reach impossible length.

Simon, Murray are pushers without finishing shot so didn't become ATG. I believe Medvedev will be same.
 

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Its either you are a pusher or ballbasher, it can't be anything else!

In seriousness, non of the top players are pushers, you can not be a top player if you don't take initiative and risks at times.
 
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Definitely not against Fed, all he does in that match is keep balls in play and hope Federer has an off day. There is literally nothing else he can do in that match up. Against Nadal, Simon uses his Safin like power lol to control points and against Djokovic he really doesn't have a chance, just like Federer but he can still be a little more aggressive and take chances because Novak has "some" pusher like tendencies when the chips are on the line. Done.
Do you even remember those close matches between them? Simon had more winners or numbers were very close.
 

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Federer pushed lots during his prime with his slice and he has good defense side by side tricking opponents, his era opponents ball bash against him. Since 2014 his style is more aggressive is true because he is stubborn to believe the old age needing to use s&v theory.

Djok and Dal both are even more extreme pushers. Nadal likes to take the ball very very late close to 2nd bounce. Djokovic's Dhalsim sliding to reach impossible length.
not true, Federer was never a pusher. He only used his slightly better movement back then to be even more aggressive and in better positions. Its not in Federer blood to push. Djokovic only pushes when he plays players he can't outhit like Federer, Verdasco, Cilic, etc but there aren't many players he can't outhit. Nadal on the other hand is a different story completely, he even pushes against Simon lol and his whole style of play is too just keep balls in the court and make life hard for the opponents because he has hardly any pace on his shots and serve. Nadal is the only extreme pusher. King Pusher. Hence why he actually in many ways makes players play bad which is sort of a talent like Stefanos said as well as capitalizing on chokes and NEVER or very RARELY playing 'bad' matches. I can count the number of times Nadal has played bad on all my fingers. DONE.
 

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Its either you are a pusher or ballbasher, it can't be anything else!

In seriousness, non of the top players are pushers, you can not be a top player if you don't take initiative and risks at times.
Not true at all. Don't be sarcastic now.
Its either you are a pusher or ballbasher, it can't be anything else!

In seriousness, non of the top players are pushers, you can not be a top player if you don't take initiative and risks at times.
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What you're doing is itself interpretation. You're putting yourself in the position of the arbitrater and interpreter and cherrypicker of "facts" and putting a veneer of objectivity around it, facts being little more than numbers on a sheet apparently, or rather opinions that are justified by certain numbers on a sheet.
 

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What you're doing is itself interpretation. You're putting yourself in the position of the arbitrater and interpreter and cherrypicker of "facts" and putting a veneer of objectivity around it, facts being little more than numbers on a sheet apparently, or rather opinions that are justified by certain numbers on a sheet.
Go ahead and tell me your counter argument. Go dog.
 

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not true, Federer was never a pusher. He only used his slightly better movement back then to be even more aggressive and in better positions. Its not in Federer blood to push. Djokovic only pushes when he plays players he can't outhit like Federer, Verdasco, Cilic, etc but there aren't many players he can't outhit. Nadal on the other hand is a different story completely, he even pushes against Simon lol and his whole style of play is too just keep balls in the court and make life hard for the opponents because he has hardly any pace on his shots and serve. Nadal is the only extreme pusher. King Pusher. Hence why he actually in many ways makes players play bad which is sort of a talent like Stefanos said as well as capitalizing on chokes and NEVER or very RARELY playing 'bad' matches. I can count the number of times Nadal has played bad on all my fingers. DONE.
Fact is all big 3 can keep the ball in play ridiculously long. Since Federer emergence in 2004. The rest of the tour couldn't do it for 16 years leading to so many easy slams. Federer lost a lot of slam chances in 30s when he refuse to play defense. His break point or match point conversion is bad due to that reason. He is mindfuck by the tour being younger. When he played against Agassi he is the one pushing.

Djokodal in their prime both are extreme, in recent years they change a bit and Nadal is more aggressive currently. I don't see them out hitting the top 15 in tour that time.The only non-pusher i saw winning slam is Cilic and Wawrinka. Thiem might push his way to a slam on sunday.
 

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Fact is all big 3 can keep the ball in play ridiculously long. Since Federer emergence in 2004. The rest of the tour couldn't do it for 16 years leading to so many easy slams. Federer lost a lot of slam chances in 30s when he refuse to play defense. His break point or match point conversion is bad due to that reason. He is mindfuck by the tour being younger. When he played against Agassi he is the one pushing.

Djokodal in their prime both are extreme, in recent years they change a bit and Nadal is more aggressive currently. I don't see them out hitting the top 15 in tour that time.The only non-pusher i saw winning slam is Cilic and Wawrinka. Thiem might push his way to a slam on sunday.
You have issues. Federer was never a pusher. And here I go again about to destroy you.

Nadal is the least aggressive player ever to win a slam. He even pushed against Coria in matches for gods sake.

Thiem has a good balance. He can crack the ball and still play safe when he needs to but he is most definitely not a bitch tho.

So what did you say about Federer pushing against Agassi. Wake up and look at the facts down below.

DON'T EVERY SAY FEDERER IS A PUSHER AGAIN.
 

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