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Thank you for your reply, I did hear a few times how much moses is important in the Islam. Will you say he is the second most important prophet?
I would say the third most important prophet. Following his holiness Muhammad, his holiness Jesus (Isa) and finally there he comes his holiness Moses. They are pretty special for muslim world.
 

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@bilentsob read Nigeria is pretty much divided between Christian and Muslim communities, how would you describe the situation in your city? Is there any sign of sectarianism within state and public sectors?
 

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China and Hong Kong.

Much better than in Japan, actually where a lot of missionaries from my church have gone.
Cambodia's Christian population great vastly after the end of the Vietnam War. Part of it is actively seeking change and community. Remember the words of Paul from Galatians 3.



These are trulyremarkable words. In Sunday school, I recall singing that song, "Father Abraham had many sons...many sons had Father Abraham. I am one of them, and so are you. So let's just praise the Lord". At the time I was wondering how I could be related to Abraham, for I was not a Jew by heritage (remember Nicodemus, "you must be born again"). This is answered in this passage, you become a child of Abraham and heir of the promise by sharing in the same faith Abraham had in God's promises fulfilled in Christ.

The other aspect is community (see end of Acts 2) where people support each other's needs.
Didn't know it was legal to evangelise or proselytise in places like Japan.
Many countries it is illegal to try convert the local population to Christianity.
 

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@bilentsob read Nigeria is pretty much divided between Christian and Muslim communities, how would you describe the situation in your city? Is there any sign of sectarianism within state and public sectors?
Yeah, Nigeria is basically 48-50% Muslim and about 47% Christian. So due to our population, we are top 10 in the world for both Muslims and Christian populations.
For the most part, the relationship between the two used to be civil until Boko Haram happened. It changed everything for the worse. So most of the casualties of Boko Haram are indeed Muslim because they operate in the north, which is predominantly Muslim. The problem is that they have gone into churches and carried out attacks. It's hard for people to not see that as a war against Christians (they themselves have said so). It's also made people take their anger on innocent Muslims and you can see how that cycle of hostility between the two begins.

There's also a tribal element. Most Muslims are from the North and are of Hausa and Fulani ethnic groups, and most Christians are from the south and are mostly of the Igbo, efik, ijaw and other southern tribes. Both groups have been in constant conflict with each other which led to the 1967-1970 civil war. So It's now a religious/tribal tension between the two.

But that's not to say that people don't get along. It's just that Nigeria is fragmented and anything could happen. Where I live, there's no tension between the two religions. We let each other be.

But in a few states, there are issues. Some states have a Sharia law system in place, and it is imposed on non Muslims as well. That has led to some controversial cases and even led to some foreign human rights groups coming to intervene. According to the Constitution, Nigeria is a secular state but it's really far from it in application.
 

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Thank you for your reply, I did hear a few times how much moses is important in the Islam. Will you say he is the second most important prophet?
Interesting question.
I can't give an answer though, it's not my area, I can only give my opinion.
I believe the second most important would be Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic), his "nickname" is friend of God, literally. He is mentioned in many verses as a man whose monotheistic practice is right and an example for everyone, also during every prayer blessing upon him is sent alongside Mohammad.
Moses ranks somewhere with Jesus (in what I had read), both being Prophets sent to Israelites, and both are being held in high regard in islamic teachings. There is a verse in Qur'an stating that believers are those who believe in all the prophets and not make any difference between them (treat all of them equally).
Jesus is considered to be one of the greatest Prophets, but still only a man. In our teachings he was never crucified or killed, but God had ascended him upon Heaven. He will come for the second time at the end of days.
 

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Jesus was a socialist

Feeding the poor, healing the sick, never asked for money
 

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Didn't know it was legal to evangelise or proselytise in places like Japan.
Many countries it is illegal to try convert the local population to Christianity.
That is allowed. Part of the reason is the support Christians have given for welfare and disaster recovery. Japan actually has one of the lowest proportions of Christians in the world, very few churches and most Japanese have very little exposure to Christianity. Most Japanese have far-east Buddhist or Shinto (spirit) beliefs. My church has sent quite a number of missionaries over to Japan. They learn the language and speak to the locals. The way that Japanese people think about beliefs is quite different to the west. Family, tradition and honour play a really big part. The spirits supposed to give them luck are fickle and they have no guarantee of a response. Understanding love independent of their service to these spirits/luck charms is pretty huge to them. At the same time, Japanese, particularly youth understand the challenges of their own environment, such as workaholic culture. Often, missionaries will talk about to their neighbours and invite them for small gatherings, or tell them Bible stories to pique their interest.

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In our teachings he was never crucified or killed, but God had ascended him upon Heaven. He will come for the second time at the end of days.
I do have one really important question for you. How does Islam reconcile this discrepancy presented in the account of Jesus's crucifixion?

What I mean is this:
Jews: Jesus wasn't the Messiah and was crucified as a criminal.
Christians: Jesus was the Messiah and was crucified as a criminal, but he was actually innocent and vindicated by being raised to life three days later.

Just based on these two sources, conflicting in their viewpoint of who Jesus was, they still both assert the crucifixion occurred. It's like a murderer confessing he did the crime, then the victim's family who saw it happen also point the finger at the murderer.

But there are others. Roman sources like Tacitus also attested to the crucifixion, as did the Jewish historian Josephus.

That's not all. Secular historians like Bart Ehrman almost universally agree that two aspects of Jesus's life were real events: the baptism by John the Baptist and the crucifixion of Jesus under Pontius Pilate.


So Jewish, Christian, and non Christian sources, and contemporary secular historians all agree that the crucifixion was very likely a real event.

Only 600 years after the event, Muhammad pops up and says that it didn't happen with a revisionist theory.
 

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In my country they mix Christianity with traditional beliefs such as in Holy Fire and forefathers as an intermediary to God. Apparently the country is 90% Christians with other minor beliefs. I am more of a sceptic, neither here, nor there. During this time, some people have been advocating for churches to be closed as they are of no use and to be turned into community centres and vegetable gardens. Pastors are there for enrichment schemes, they have not donated anything, and crying that they have lost tithe.
 

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I do have one really important question for you. How does Islam reconcile this discrepancy presented in the account of Jesus's crucifixion?

What I mean is this:
Jews: Jesus wasn't the Messiah and was crucified as a criminal.
Christians: Jesus was the Messiah and was crucified as a criminal, but he was actually innocent and vindicated by being raised to life three days later.

Just based on these two sources, conflicting in their viewpoint of who Jesus was, they still both assert the crucifixion occurred. It's like a murderer confessing he did the crime, then the victim's family who saw it happen also point the finger at the murderer.

But there are others. Roman sources like Tacitus also attested to the crucifixion, as did the Jewish historian Josephus.

That's not all. Secular historians like Bart Ehrman almost universally agree that two aspects of Jesus's life were real events: the baptism by John the Baptist and the crucifixion of Jesus under Pontius Pilate.


So Jewish, Christian, and non Christian sources, and contemporary secular historians all agree that the crucifixion was very likely a real event.

Only 600 years after the event, Muhammad pops up and says that it didn't happen with a revisionist theory.
I will have to find out more about this to address yout question. I didn't delve deep into this matter.
 

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I just looked at the numbers. I didn't know Uruguay and Chile had such relatively high numbers. Is that an effect of economic development or are they totally unrelated?
I'm shocked my answer didn't get posted once I took a look at this thread again.

As for Chile it is quite simple. Because the catholic church always supported the military dictatorship unlike in other countries, so Pinochet was quite popular in clerical circles and among archcatholic groups. A very vocal rather lefty fraction in the church which ended then in the culmination of Liberation Theology (very prominent in South America) opposed Pinochet just like a big part of Chilean society too. Until now there is a very vocal Allendeism as many saw Salvador Allende as more or less the political messiah for Chile which would have led the country into glory as promised.

Since he got killed by the military junta instructed by Pinochet lots of Chileans still remember that and they still haven't forgotten that the church picked the powerful side which was even responsible for many kills and 'desaparecidos'. Until now many people don't know what happened to their relatives during that time and the Chilean governments (mostly the socialist) were limited in their actions. Apparently lots of bishops know much more as they want to admit too.

Since the catholic church was very deep in the mud during these years and never was kind of an opposition like in Argentina or Brazil or at least a subtle critical voice like in Peru, even officially supported all these measures to stop the violent demonstrators by any means many Chilean until now haven't forgiven the church for being that politically active. Clerics who opposed the dictatorship like Fernando Castillo (even with violence) got muted by the church itself in Chile, hence this is the reason why there is no genuine Chilean Liberation Theology like in other parts of South America.

Until today the Chilean church hasn't tried anything to ask for forgiveness. Most of these circles try to openly forget what they did during these almost 20 years and brush it under the carpet. A very similar story can be told on Uruguay who had a national church which openly supported the very short dictatorship (compared to Chile and others) too, although economic wealth plays a bigger part there. Hence our country is still very departed and lots of Chilean don't have any believe in the catholic church at all.

Many young people from my generation (1995 and later) haven't gone through the classic catholic education even, so the irreligiosity in Chile is very high and quite uncommon for a Hispanic country mostly because of history.
 

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excellent presentation on the origin of life problem by one of the world’s preeminent chemists, james tour..

 

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excellent presentation on the origin of life problem by one of the world’s preeminent chemists, james tour..

Disingenuous tactic. Tries to convince people they should believe God because Cell origin is not technically understood by today's knowledge, then tries to safeguard belief in God at minute 47 by saying that one day we might understand it but that if that happens it won't lessen God. Lessening God among the population is precisely one of the consequences of scientific progress. It is true that it does not disprove the existence of God, just like not knowing things does not prove it either.

He does make good make good points on how Science and teaching should be done more rigorously, those points are however more pertinent to Science itself than to the question of God.
 
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