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UK Telegraph reporting plans to hold a new under 21 event the week before WTF aimed at raising the profile of the next gen stars (ie before Fed and retire!) and trialing possible 'rule changes' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...sident-Chris-Kermode-ready-for-new-era.html):

...Kermode – who is halfway through his three-year term as executive president of the ATP – is building a reputation as an innovator. His latest project is to launch an under-21s tournament in November 2016, the week before next year’s World Tour Finals at the O2 Arena. A venue and a sponsor are already being lined up, and Kermode is promising fat enough pay-packets to attract the current generation of young thrusters: Nick Kyrgios, Thanasi Kokkinakis, Borna Coric et al.

The new venture will have a dual purpose. On one level, it should accelerate the exposure of tomorrow’s champions – and this at a time when it takes longer than ever before to break into the game’s senior elite. But the other key virtue of establishing a new event, with no rankings points at stake, is that it can serve as a testing ground for reforms.

“We can use the 21-and-under event to look at the length of games, the warm-up, the Code of Conduct and so on,” Kermode told Telegraph Sport this week. “It’s amazing when you talk about this kind of stuff, people fundamentally hate change, so the barriers come down. But like any business we have a responsibility to look at our product. Maybe at the end of it we go, 'You know what, it works really well as it is.’ I don’t want to make changes for changes’ sake, but you can’t be complacent. I just don’t want the sport to sleepwalk into obsolescence.” ...

...introduced a pair of advisory panels in November: one consisting of legendary players like John McEnroe and Boris Becker, the other of business big-shots from Tommy Hilfiger to Matthew Freud. With a team of heavyweights behind him, Kermode hopes he will find it easier to muster support in a sport that too often breaks up into a patchwork of interests.

The two groups have been brainstorming this year and Kermode says he has been amazed by their passion. “They both acknowledge that tennis is in the best place that it’s ever been, that we have amazing iconic superstars. But it’s being prepared for when that era changes, as eras always do. And working to get this next generation up there.

“When people support a football team it’s almost a tribal thing, you often find that their father and grandfather supported too, but in an individual sport it’s got to be personality-based. When you watch the X Factor, if you just heard those people singing one after the other you wouldn’t engage, but the fact is they do a great job of selling that back story so that by the time singer A goes on stage you’ve bought into him and you want him to win...
Bit late in my view - by November 2016 a good chance that Kyrgios, Coric, Kokk and Zverev will be competing to be in WTF, not unknowns at all. And as for testing possible rule changes...
 

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...Kermode – who is halfway through his three-year term as executive president of the ATP – is building a reputation as an innovator. His latest project is to launch an under-21s tournament in November 2016, the week before next year’s World Tour Finals at the O2 Arena. A venue and a sponsor are already being lined up, and Kermode is promising fat enough pay-packets to attract the current generation of young thrusters: Nick Kyrgios, Thanasi Kokkinakis, Borna Coric et al.
Kyrgios is a young thruster all right.
 

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Is Kermode actually talking about X-Factor? Just wait, in 10 years the ATP tour is some bloody singing competition!

Just speed up the courts and balls. That's a good start to make the game and matches a bit faster. After that you can reinvent the wheel.
 

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Dark, dark times ahead.

In 2000 this event would have featured No.1 Safin, No.7 Hewitt, No.12 Ferrero and No.29 Federer.
And by November 2016 the current top 100 teens could well have those kind of rankings given currently five under 21s in top 50 in the race, and Kyrgios already top 30...ATP reacting to gen useless a couple of years too late.
 

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And by November 2016 the current top 100 teens could well have those kind of rankings given currently five under 21s in top 50 in the race, and Kyrgios already top 30...ATP reacting to gen useless a couple of years too late.
Kyrgios won't be "under 21" by November 2016.
And :spit: @ the mere suggestion that one of them will be No.1.
 

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What's the point of WTF for kids? If they're supposed to be a future champions or top players or whatever, then qualifying to WTF for adults shouldn't be a problem for them at age 21, I guess. :shrug: :shrug:
 

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Don't they already have something similar to this on the WTA tour? Does it work? Does anyone care about it? I doubt it...

It feels a bit patronizing. I know these are different times, but regardless of that those players should aim to reach the actual WTF, not the kiddy version.
 

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No ranking points = no interest at all, just like an useless exhibition.
Ranking points for such an event would be untenable for a rather obvious reason. It would effectively award a bonus on the basis of age, which no one above the arbitrary cutoff would ever accept. Imagine falling from 32 to 33 in the rankings because some 20-year-old won YEC, Jr. and got points you were barred from competing for.
 

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Kyrgios won't be "under 21" by November 2016.
And :spit: @ the mere suggestion that one of them will be No.1.
:shrug: It it's true that they are negotiating with him (amongst the others) as reported then presumably it will actually be 21 and under.

As for no 1 - perhaps optimistic but we shall see.

Top 10 though is surely definitely possible given the speed at which they are moving and improving.

All pretty much on or close to career highs; at slams Kyrgios already has two QFs; three of them reached RG R3 this year; a Masters R4 and R3 in the pile.

And none of them have yet played a full year slam/masters/tour level slate.
 

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Jiri Vesely is leading the Under-21 race at the moment so he would be top seed.

Good luck selling that.
If this event was already in 2015, Vesely still wouldn't be able to qualify because he will be 22 next month. Top 4 seeds would be Kyrgios, Coric, Kokkinakis and Chung by live race now.
 

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"Ranking points for such an event would be untenable for a rather obvious reason. It would effectively award a bonus on the basis of age, which no one above the arbitrary cutoff would ever accept. Imagine falling from 32 to 33 in the rankings because some 20-year-old won YEC, Jr. and got points you were barred from competing for."


That can already happen in the Olympics - if you are, say, the fifth ranked Spaniard, you won't get in, and lower-ranked players will. It can also happen elsewhere due to wildcards.

So I don't see why they couldn't offer ranking points, at a moderate level. But I don't think that they should be bonus points, it could be a tournament that could replace one of your other ranking tournaments.
 

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Is Kermode actually talking about X-Factor? Just wait, in 10 years the ATP tour is some bloody singing competition!

Just speed up the courts and balls. That's a good start to make the game and matches a bit faster. After that you can reinvent the wheel.
That would only favor servebots. We do not want serve bots. That's why courts were slowed down early in the 2000s and a bit more by the end of the decade (including Wimbledon).
 

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Btw, they are just copying ITF.

ITF just launched their own WTF back in February for the 8 best Juniors in the previous year. First 3 editions will be in China. Rublev won the males competition.

ITF, tho, offers WC for futures and challengers plus money for travel and accommodation.
 

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That would only favor servebots. We do not want serve bots. That's why courts were slowed down early in the 2000s and a bit more by the end of the decade (including Wimbledon).
Everyone knows that they were slowed down.

The point is about the future of the game. And the need for variety. No one wants to see all season long 4-5 hour long baseline battles with two clay courters. If the top 100 is filled with 100 players who play the exact same way and hit the ball the exact same way, then this game will be dead in ten years.
 

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Everyone knows that.

The point is about the future of the game. And the need for variety. No one wants to see all season long 4-5 hour long baseline battles with two clay courters. If the top 100 is filled with 100 players who play the exact same way and hit the ball the exact same way, then this game will be dead in ten years.
Not it'll not. You may not like it but this is tennis golden era (except for the USA, but simply because they lack a champion). The new change allows short guys to be able to compete, thus opening up the whole Asia for tennis. The sport was never as popular in the developing countries. Also, it allows the great players to consistently go deep/win almost every tier1 event. HC fans may like to watch the big guns losing early, but not the casual fan. They want to see the top guys at every tournament.

I agree, tho, that they shouldn't have messed with the grass. Also, HCs should be faster, not as fast as in the 90s but faster.
 
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