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@ the end of 2003 there was relative parity @ the top of men`s tennis with 5 New Balls all being @ similiar points in their career:cool:


2003 Federer:
1-Slam, 11-titles

2003 Hewitt:
2-Slams, 19-titles

2003 Safin:
1-Slam, 11-titles

2003 Roddick:
1-Slam, 11-titles

2003 Ferrero:
1-Slam, 11-titles


###~~However 4 years later 4/5 New Balls careers have stalled, in particular JCF has won precisly nothing since 2003, meanwhile FED`s added 11-Slams & 40-titles:eek:

2007 Federer:
12-Slams, 51-titles

2007 Hewitt:
2-Slams, 27-titles

2007 Safin:
2-Slams, 15-titles

2007 Roddick:
1-Slams, 23-titles

2007 Ferrero:
1-Slams, 11-titles

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~~So the question is this: could anyone foresee Federer`s utter domination over this 4 year period:confused:
How did FED improve so much:confused:
Why did the other New Balls fail to improve/get worse:confused:
 

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#FED since 2004: 11-Slams, 40-titles!

#SAFIN since 2004: 1-Slam, 4-titles.

#A.ROD since 2004: 12-titles

#HEWITT since 2004: 7-titles

#JCF since 2004: `zero`
 

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Could anyone foresee Federer`s utter domination over this 4 year period?
No. Federer was always regarded as the prime talent of his generation, but he was also known for being unstable. A lot of people thought he would be #1 and win many slams, but I don't think anyone could have predicted this kind of domination. Generally, the consensus during 1998-2003 was that the men's game had gotten so deep, that complete domination would be impossible. It took a godlike player to prove that prediction wrong.

How did FED improve so much?
Godlike talent combined with the sudden control of his own mind, that he gained. There have been quite a few extremely gifted players, who didn't fulfill their promises due to their mind not being in its right place. Rios and Safin are prime examples of this. Federer combines the amazing talent of a Rios or McEnroe with the work ethic of a Llendl or Muster and the mental strength and focus a Sampras or Borg (well, perhaps not quite, but you get the idea).

Why did the other New Balls fail to improve/get worse?
JCF ran into injury hell. The rest of them took such a beating by Federer, that I think their downfall was more or less created by him. Had Federer not been in the mix, I think all of those players would have gone on to win several further slam titles.
 

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Could anyone foresee Federer`s utter domination over this 4 year period?
No. Federer was always regarded as the prime talent of his generation, but he was also known for being unstable. A lot of people thought he would be #1 and win many slams, but I don't think anyone could have predicted this kind of domination. Generally, the consensus during 1998-2003 was that the men's game had gotten so deep, that complete domination would be impossible. It took a godlike player to prove that prediction wrong.

How did FED improve so much?
Godlike talent combined with the sudden control of his own mind, that he gained. There have been quite a few extremely gifted players, who didn't fulfill their promises due to their mind not being in its right place. Rios and Safin are prime examples of this. Federer combines the amazing talent of a Rios or McEnroe with the work ethic of a Llendl or Muster and the mental strength and focus a Sampras or Borg (well, perhaps not quite, but you get the idea).

Why did the other New Balls fail to improve/get worse?
JCF ran into injury hell. The rest of them took such a beating by Federer, that I think their downfall was more or less created by him. Had Federer not been in the mix, I think all of those players would have gone on to win several further slam titles.

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thanks for your thoughts:cool:
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yeah i was one of those who thought the depth in men`s tennis would prevent Federesque domination from ever happening;)

especially considering Safin, Hewitt, Ferrero & Roddick were all young slam winners & @ around the same time as Federer won his 1st major->> just seemed highly unlikely that all of his rivals failed to maintain their momentum whilst Roger`s transformation into one of the most dominant sportsman ever took place:devil:

it`s still crazy to think that in the last 4-years the combined forces of Safin/Hewitt/Ferrero/Roddick have only combined for one lone victory [Safin`s defeat over Roger @ AO 2005 SF]:eek:

i`d still like to see a renaissance from one of FED`s former rivals, but as the years pass by it`s becoming less & less likely that the other former New Balls will ever win another slam between them:sad:
 

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So you're here to tell us that Federer's last 4 years have been quite good?
 

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So you're here to tell us that Federer's last 4 years have been quite good?

here to tell you that some of the younger members on MTF might not recall the era when 5 New Balls had relative parity =>> a mere 4-years ago;)

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when JCF defeated FED @ the Madrid SFs in 2003 to briefly become #1, did anyone foresee that Roger would go on to win 11-Slams & 40-titles, whilst JCF would never win another title [in the ensuing 4-years]:eek: :confused: :confused:
 

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You dont' need to look far to find out what people thought about the "new balls" and the slam predictions for 2004 back in 2003, just go read that board from the start. I was curious enough to do that a few days ago.

It's great, people raving about Roddick and Ferrero.
 

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You dont' need to look far to find out what people thought about the "new balls" and the slam predictions for 2004 back in 2003, just go read that board from the start. I was curious enough to do that a few days ago.

It's great, people raving about Roddick and Ferrero.

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cheers mate:cool:
~is that my old thread that you`re refering to:confused:
 

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here to tell you that some of the younger members on MTF might not recall the era when 5 New Balls had relative parity =>> a mere 4-years ago;)

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when JCF defeated FED @ the Madrid SFs in 2003 to briefly become #1, did anyone foresee that Roger would go on to win 11-Slams & 40-titles, whilst JCF would never win another title [in the ensuing 4-years]:eek: :confused: :confused:
Mate its a given that no one is going to predict success of this magnitude...
 

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Maybe in another 4 years, people will look back to 2007 and say: "Can you beleive Djokovic beat everyone in Madrid 07 and never won another title?!?!? And now Gasquet has 8 slams, Murray has 5?" etc.

Looking back is always fun :)
 

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Maybe in another 4 years, people will look back to 2007 and say: "Can you beleive Djokovic beat everyone in Madrid 07 and never won another title?!?!? And now Gasquet has 8 slams, Murray has 5?" etc.

Looking back is always fun :)

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interesting scenario/example you suggest;)
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however we both know that Gasquet & Murray will be extremely lucky to win one slam between them:p

Nole on the other hand will surely win one & probably 3-4;)
 

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.....however we both know that Gasquet & Murray will be extremely lucky to win one slam between them:p
Your knowledge is not worth much, as Roger shows. ;) :p
 

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here to tell you that some of the younger members on MTF might not recall the era when 5 New Balls had relative parity =>> a mere 4-years ago;)

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when JCF defeated FED @ the Madrid SFs in 2003 to briefly become #1, did anyone foresee that Roger would go on to win 11-Slams & 40-titles, whilst JCF would never win another title [in the ensuing 4-years]:eek: :confused: :confused:
Ferrero is the most disappointing in my book (especially since he is the reason why I began to get in to tennis) I never in my wildest dreams thought that Federer would ever dominate the sport like he did or that Ferrero would not have another title by 2007. I always imagined that JCF would become somewhat Federer-esq (wait for it) and the King of Clay.

He had an amazing 2003 with wins on all surfaces and amazing slam result that included not only a Grand Slam Win and a Grand slam final on opposing surfaces but a quarterfinal at the AO and RD16 at Wimby, he won 30 matches on both hard court and clay and went on to win 2 AMS titles on different surfaces. I though this was it, he was going to begin showing a new level of tennis, and although he wasn't by any means going to be federer, he was going to be a more multi surface player and maybe win An AO or two, of course the FO and maybe a USO. I just don't know what happened.
 

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..:wavey:
interesting scenario/example you suggest;)
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however we both know that Gasquet & Murray will be extremely lucky to win one slam between them:p

Nole on the other hand will surely win one & probably 3-4;)
I don't get this... With Gasquet maybe, but I have no idea how good Murray wil get, He was improving very fast until he got injured. Maybe he overtakes nole just like fed overtook Hewitt, but then before Nole has won a slam. So how do you (think) to know this??
 

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I don't get this... With Gasquet maybe, but I have no idea how good Murray wil get, He was improving very fast until he got injured. Maybe he overtakes nole just like fed overtook Hewitt, but then before Nole has won a slam. So how do you (think) to know this??

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okie dokes~ i may be wrong of course;)
...just watching Murray over the last couple of years, despite his improvements i don`t get the sense that he`s the real deal!
I can forsee Murray becoming a regular semifinalist & quaterfinalist @ slams, but i don`t think he has the killer instinct to finish off the job;)

*remember Murray`s never been beyond Rd.4 @ a slam, & he`s only got 2 MM titles to his name so far!
 

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Ferrero is the most disappointing in my book (especially since he is the reason why I began to get in to tennis) I never in my wildest dreams thought that Federer would ever dominate the sport like he did or that Ferrero would not have another title by 2007. I always imagined that JCF would become somewhat Federer-esq (wait for it) and the King of Clay.

He had an amazing 2003 with wins on all surfaces and amazing slam result that included not only a Grand Slam Win and a Grand slam final on opposing surfaces but a quarterfinal at the AO and RD16 at Wimby, he won 30 matches on both hard court and clay and went on to win 2 AMS titles on different surfaces. I though this was it, he was going to begin showing a new level of tennis, and although he wasn't by any means going to be federer, he was going to be a more multi surface player and maybe win An AO or two, of course the FO and maybe a USO. I just don't know what happened.

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agree with you about JCF~~ he`s clearly the most disappoiting:sad:
>>> i just wonder if JCF had finished 2003 ranked #1 [he was awfully close] if his career would have taken a different course thereafter:confused:

2004 began badly for Ferrero, losing to Mr.Nobody Guccione @ Sydney [rd.1]:eek:
despite reaching AO SFs a few weeks later he was absolutely crushed by FED, & along with injury problems he was never the same man:sad:
 

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Why did the other New Balls fail to improve/get worse?
JCF ran into injury hell.
That's the myth, but in reality he gave up after the first hurdle.
 
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