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I play fine, he play better.

It's no wonder we are where we are when he always believes that it's out of his hands.
 

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there's things i don't understand though: why doesn't nadal hit the crosscourt-forehand WAY more often? we know he can, so why not do it? then: why can't he adjust during matches regarding the depth of his strokes? he must've notice by set 2 that tsonga took it to him as soon as his strokes dropped like 2-3 m behind the net. why not change that and play the strokes differently?
 

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I don't understand the part when they are talking about someone faking their serve. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks
 

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I understood this to mean that Nadal thought JWT might have been intentionally starting the service motion and then stopping before actually serving in order to throw Nadal off. I could be wrong. But if I'm right, I doubt JWT was actually doing this. You'd think it would actually be counterproductive and throw him off.


I don't understand the part when they are talking about someone faking their serve. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks
 

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I understood this to mean that Nadal thought JWT might have been intentionally starting the service motion and then stopping before actually serving in order to throw Nadal off. I could be wrong. But if I'm right, I doubt JWT was actually doing this. You'd think it would actually be counterproductive and throw him off.
I don't understand it clearly either from those Spanish senores and I didn't see the match but I'd say it was the other way around, JWT complained about Rafa 'faking' the serve whatever that means. :shrug:
 

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"I arrive to the dropshot...Very good shot to the ball...touch the ball shit, very bad"

haha I've never heard this language from him before but he didn't try to blame anything so thumbs up
 

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I understood this to mean that Nadal thought JWT might have been intentionally starting the service motion and then stopping before actually serving in order to throw Nadal off. I could be wrong. But if I'm right, I doubt JWT was actually doing this. You'd think it would actually be counterproductive and throw him off.
well it seems that Tsonga told him that he was indeed doing that
 

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Let's not be naive here. He doesn't always believe it's out of his hands. He keeps his answers curt for several reasons. He doesn't want to come off as a jackass who doesn't recognize his opponent's success; his command of English isn't great; he's reluctant to analyze the match for anyone's else's benefit.

It's not like he doesn't try to improve. He's done something right in order to stay #2 for this long. If he was content to merely give credit he wouldn't have improved on grass and hard courts over the years. You're better than that, Scoobs.


I play fine, he play better.

It's no wonder we are where we are when he always believes that it's out of his hands.
 

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Does anyone know if Rafa watches his matches at some point?

I'd be interested if he still believes a lot of what he said after watching it on tv. Statements such as "I was playing fine" and "I tried to play more inside the court" baffle me. :scratch:
 

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It seems sometimes that Rafa suffers from an anti-Williams sister kind of affliction. That is to say that Rafa is sometimes SO eager not to to make an excuse that he can come off as disaffected or clueless when he says things like Mr. Scoobs pointed out "I played well, he played better. What're you gonna do? :shrug: Maybe next time." I guess a post-match interview isn't necessarily the best time to assess your weaknesses on a court, but I guess I'm only talking about perception, not reality. WE all know Rafa cares.
 

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There was one part of the match where Rafa "complained" to the umpire about something. I just assumed that the translator was referring to the same incident. It's still not clear to me.

I don't understand it clearly either from those Spanish senores and I didn't see the match but I'd say it was the other way around, JWT complained about Rafa 'faking' the serve whatever that means. :shrug:
 

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Let's not be naive here. He doesn't always believe it's out of his hands. He keeps his answers curt for several reasons. He doesn't want to come off as a jackass who doesn't recognize his opponent's success; his command of English isn't great; he's reluctant to analyze the match for anyone's else's benefit.

It's not like he doesn't try to improve. He's done something right in order to stay #2 for this long. If he was content to merely give credit he wouldn't have improved on grass and hard courts over the years. You're better than that, Scoobs.
I'm not saying he's not trying.

I'm saying it's not working.

And I'm saying that perhaps he needs to be a little bit less generous with the credit and perhaps a little bit more hard on himself for not finding ways out there to change the pattern of the match.

Set 3 was the same as set 2 was the same as set 1. No plan B.

If you're the world #2 and you're being beaten by someone who is playing tremendously well, you either accept it and go down in flames or you try to find a ***** in the armour - this may involve you getting out of the comfort zone more, but you should be trying all sorts of things.

Different serving positions, varying where you return, getting to net sometimes as a surprise, changing the pace a bit sometimes.

And it's no good just doing it once, you have to persist until you're sure it's not going to work.

This, more than anything, is my criticism.
 

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I know exactly what you mean. But Scoobs said, "It's no wonder we are where we are when he always believes that it's out of his hands." I understand this to mean that Rafa's fatalistic attitude negatively affects his game. These post-match interviews aren't nearly that revealing, though. That's all I meant.

It seems sometimes that Rafa suffers from an anti-Williams sister kind of affliction. That is to say that Rafa is sometimes SO eager not to to make an excuse that he can come off as disaffected or clueless when he says things like Mr. Scoobs pointed out "I played well, he played better. What're you gonna do? :shrug: Maybe next time." I guess a post-match interview isn't necessarily the best time to assess your weaknesses on a court, but I guess I'm only talking about perception, not reality. WE all know Rafa cares.
 

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I know exactly what you mean. But Scoobs said, "It's no wonder we are where we are when he always believes that it's out of his hands." I understand this to mean that Rafa's fatalistic attitude negatively affects his game. These post-match interviews aren't nearly that revealing, though. That's all I meant.
I think though that it does.

The shrugs, the glances back over to his camp with a rueful expression on his face.

You never used to get this from Nadal.

He fought until the bitter end and gave his opponents nothing to feed off.

Not any more.

I'm not saying he rolls over, but it does seem to get away from him these days.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with any of your analysis of the match. It's my opinion that Rafa (and, indeed, other players) have any number of reasons to praise or deride another player's performance in these interviews.

In this instance, I think Rafa is willing to acknowledge that JWT played extremely well because (1) it's true; and (2) it saves Rafa from genuinely having to analyze what went wrong; (3) it saves Rafa from having to articulate what went wrong.

He says the same damn things in every interview--even after matches in which he tries new things.

I think you're dead on about Rafa's serve, actually. He didn't mix it up at all. I think it was PMac who said that Rafa was trying to implement new strategies in the second and third set. I didn't notice much, though....


I'm not saying he's not trying.

I'm saying it's not working.

And I'm saying that perhaps he needs to be a little bit less generous with the credit and perhaps a little bit more hard on himself for not finding ways out there to change the pattern of the match.

Set 3 was the same as set 2 was the same as set 1. No plan B.

If you're the world #2 and you're being beaten by someone who is playing tremendously well, you either accept it and go down in flames or you try to find a ***** in the armour - this may involve you getting out of the comfort zone more, but you should be trying all sorts of things.

Different serving positions, varying where you return, getting to net sometimes as a surprise, changing the pace a bit sometimes.

And it's no good just doing it once, you have to persist until you're sure it's not going to work.

This, more than anything, is my criticism.
 

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This loss didn't seem that different from some other losses. He still fought (or tried to fight) to the bitter end--in this match, he was down two sets, two breaks and 30-0 when he ripped a cross-court backhand. He punctuated it with three or four fist pumps. He had a poor game plan, made too few adjustments, and got blown off the court. It happened in '06 against Blake, it happened last year, and it will happen this year.

I think though that it does.

The shrugs, the glances back over to his camp with a rueful expression on his face.

You never used to get this from Nadal.

He fought until the bitter end and gave his opponents nothing to feed off.

Not any more.

I'm not saying he rolls over, but it does seem to get away from him these days.
 

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I agree that Rafa does tend to get down rather more quickly on hardcourts than grass or of course clay, for the obvious reasons, but yeah. Once he starts getting pushed around, I think it kind of snowballs, and he gets negative and gets pushed around and so he gets more negative and so is easier to push around, ad nauseum.
 
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