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Record number of Majors, second on M1000 table, Olympic Gold, Surface Slam, multiple majors on all surfaces, winning h2h over all his rivals at the Majors, and 13 Majors at the hardest Major to win, history is going to look back at Nadal as the greatest sportsperson of all time. In fact other sports people are starting to proclaim him as such it seems.
 

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He has multiple on every surface because he has 2 opportunities every year to win a HC slam.

RG is only the hardest major to win for everyone not named Nadal as they have to go through him to win it (For instance RG is the hardest major for Djokovic and Federer to win, but historically AO has been the hardest for Nadal to win).

His winning H2H at slams is almost exclusively because a large amount of the meetings are at RG and that is mostly because Fed and Djokovic are more consistent at making deep runs at RG than Nadal is at their best slams.

He is by far the greatest clay court player of all time and even so good on that surface that it has him in the discussion for GOAT almost completely by itself.

However his lack of dominance on other surfaces has him lacking in certain areas such as WTFs and weeks at #1.

Djokovic for instance has made at least the SF of each slam 8 times (8 AO, 9 Wimbledon, 10 RG and 11 USO). SFs for Nadal have been 13 RG, 6 AO, 6 USO and 7 Wimbledon (with a longer career so far). If he was more consistent at getting to SFs and finals at the other 3 he would have more slam meeting outside RG against Fed and Djokovic and the H2H numbers would look different.
 

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He has multiple on every surface because he has 2 opportunities every year to win a HC slam.

RG is only the hardest major to win for everyone not named Nadal as they have to go through him to win it (For instance RG is the hardest major for Djokovic and Federer to win, but historically AO has been the hardest for Nadal to win).

His winning H2H at slams is almost exclusively because a large amount of the meetings are at RG and that is mostly because Fed and Djokovic are more consistent at making deep runs at RG than Nadal is at their best slams.

He is by far the greatest clay court player of all time and even so good on that surface that it has him in the discussion for GOAT almost completely by itself.

However his lack of dominance on other surfaces has him lacking in certain areas such as WTFs and weeks at #1.

Djokovic for instance has made at least the SF of each slam 8 times (8 AO, 9 Wimbledon, 10 RG and 11 USO). SFs for Nadal have been 13 RG, 6 AO, 6 USO and 7 Wimbledon (with a longer career so far). If he was more consistent at getting to SFs and finals at the other 3 he would have more slam meeting outside RG against Fed and Djokovic and the H2H numbers would look different.
Dude, you basically have relegated to Djokovic to not even top 10 of all time list. He has two Majors on his best surface! Using your logic he should be on around 28 Majors now.
YE1 is all that counts not weeks at no.1. However it is insignificant compared to Olympics and Majors. WTF are basically an exho to satisfy sponsors. Nadal has always not bothered about them as he often is preparing for a Davis Cup final which is far bigger.
AO is the 4th Major so Nadal and many other players do not actually prepare fully for it. Read Agassi's book where he admits that.
 

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He has multiple on every surface because he has 2 opportunities every year to win a HC slam.
This is actually kind of a point in Dull's favour. Imagine if there were 2 clay Slams every year and 1 HC Slam, instead of the other way around? Dull would have 30+ Slams and would be clear GOAT. But as fate has it, there is 1 clay Slam and 2 HC Slams.
 

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This is actually kind of a point in Dull's favour. Imagine if there were 2 clay Slams every year and 1 HC Slam, instead of the other way around? Dull would have 30+ Slams and would be clear GOAT. But as fate has it, there is 1 clay Slam and 2 HC Slams.
And yet he sits atop the Major pile with Federer who also only has 1 Major on his best surface. Some might say justice has prevailed.
 

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This is actually kind of a point in Dull's favour. Imagine if there were 2 clay Slams every year and 1 HC Slam, instead of the other way around? Dull would have 30+ Slams and would be clear GOAT. But as fate has it, there is 1 clay Slam and 2 HC Slams.
No because the competition is much stiffer for HC slams because so many players are good on the surface and not nearly as many players are good on clay. I don't see how it's a point for Nadal when he has a total of 5 HC slams and he has played in a total of 30 of them.

If there were 2 clay slams then of course he would have more slams than he does, but Fed and Djokovic would also have more clay slams than they do and assuming it is like AO/USO where they play very differently than he likely wouldn't dominate the other to the extent that he has RG.
 

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Dude, you basically have relegated to Djokovic to not even top 10 of all time list. He has two Majors on his best surface! Using your logic he should be on around 28 Majors now.
YE1 is all that counts not weeks at no.1. However it is insignificant compared to Olympics and Majors. WTF are basically an exho to satisfy sponsors. Nadal has always not bothered about them as he often is preparing for a Davis Cup final which is far bigger.
AO is the 4th Major so Nadal and many other players do not actually prepare fully for it. Read Agassi's book where he admits that.
Djokovic is not a HC specialist or specifically is not way better on HC than he is on other surfaces. Djokovic is just as good on clay as he is on HC and that favors Nadal overall because Nadal is much better on clay than anywhere else (he is still a very good player outside of clay, but much better on clay). Therefor Djokovic will win most of there matches on HC or grass, but not in as dominant of fashion as Nadal on clay (hence 5-3 Djokovic at slams other than RG and 7-1 Nadal at RG).
 

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Rosewall has 6+ slams on 3 different surfaces each so he is the real all time all surface GOAT

Modern era, yes, Nadal is the only one with 2 one each surface, and another Wimbledon gets him 3 on each surface
 

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...Yet somehow people need him 2 win 6 Wimbledon titles, 5 USOs, and 4 AOs to with his 282 RG slams. . Meanwhile Fed/Djoker only have 1 RG title. The only real blemish in Nadal's resume is the YEC (Which today isn't exactly as prestigious as the Olympic golds Nadal holds). So if people say Nadal needs a few YEC title, you can just as much say, "Well where the hell is Fed/Nole's Olympic Singles Gold?"
 

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...Yet somehow people need him 2 win 6 Wimbledon titles, 5 USOs, and 4 AOs to with his 282 RG slams. . Meanwhile Fed/Djoker only have 1 RG title. The only real blemish in Nadal's resume is the YEC (Which today isn't exactly as prestigious as the Olympic golds Nadal holds). So if people say Nadal needs a few YEC title, you can just as much say, "Well where the hell is Fed/Nole's Olympic Singles Gold?"
You have a chance to win the WTF every single season you are in the top 8 of the rankings. The Olympics only happen every 4 years and many factors can come into play as to who wins it. Such as injuries, poor form/down year and surface to name a few. There is also a different type of motivation to win the Olympics and that can cause some players to play better and some to play worse. A good example of this was Puig winning the women's gold in 2016 and she played out of her mind to do it. She has still never even made it to a slam QF to this day.
 

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You have a chance to win the WTF every single season you are in the top 8 of the rankings. The Olympics only happen every 4 years and many factors can come into play as to who wins it. Such as injuries, poor form/down year and surface to name a few. There is also a different type of motivation to win the Olympics and that can cause some players to play better and some to play worse. A good example of this was Puig winning the women's gold in 2016 and she played out of her mind to do it. She has still never even made it to a slam QF to this day.
Everything you said about WTF applies to most of the Masters.
 

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Everything you said about WTF applies to most of the Masters.
Everything I said about the WTF applies to every masters tournament. They are all held every single year and thus you will get many more opportunities to win those than an Olympics. Therefor it is a bigger blemish to not have those on your resume as you would have had plenty of opportunities to play them while being healthy.
 

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Everything I said about the WTF applies to every masters tournament. They are all held every single year and thus you will get many more opportunities to win those than an Olympics. Therefor it is a bigger blemish to not have those on your resume as you would have had plenty of opportunities to play them while being healthy.
By you logic, Basel is greater than Olympics.
 

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It's always a great fun to read trolls from Nadal camp coming up with more and more stupid excuses to cover up his holes in the resume and the fact he is the most single-surface dependent member of the Big 3. Federer is head and shoulders above Nadal in GOAT debates on hard, grass and indoor hard. He is ahead of Nadal in three of four majors and has 100+ weeks more at No. 1. End of story. Anyway, I loved the excuse from @NADALalot for why WTF is useless. According to her this tournament has zero credibility cause Nadal hasn't won it. If he wins it, it would have credibility then. lol
 
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He has multiple on every surface because he has 2 opportunities every year to win a HC slam.

RG is only the hardest major to win for everyone not named Nadal as they have to go through him to win it (For instance RG is the hardest major for Djokovic and Federer to win, but historically AO has been the hardest for Nadal to win).

His winning H2H at slams is almost exclusively because a large amount of the meetings are at RG and that is mostly because Fed and Djokovic are more consistent at making deep runs at RG than Nadal is at their best slams.

He is by far the greatest clay court player of all time and even so good on that surface that it has him in the discussion for GOAT almost completely by itself.

However his lack of dominance on other surfaces has him lacking in certain areas such as WTFs and weeks at #1.

Djokovic for instance has made at least the SF of each slam 8 times (8 AO, 9 Wimbledon, 10 RG and 11 USO). SFs for Nadal have been 13 RG, 6 AO, 6 USO and 7 Wimbledon (with a longer career so far). If he was more consistent at getting to SFs and finals at the other 3 he would have more slam meeting outside RG against Fed and Djokovic and the H2H numbers would look different.
Yet, Federer and Djokovic did not go through Rafa or beat Rafa in the final or go through one of the Big 3 or beat one of the Big 3 in the final to win their lone FOs.

On the other hand, Rafa beat Federer (one of the Big 3) in the final to win his AO, and also one of the Big 3 in the finals to win his other slams.

Further, after winning his first AO in 2009, Rafa played 2 5-setters in AO finals - a 5-setter (& up a break in the 5th set) vs. Djokovic in 2012 AO final and another 5-setter (& up a break in the 5th set) vs. Federer in 2017 AO final.

On the other hand, after winning his first FO in 2009, Federer played 1 FO final in 2011, which was a 4-setter final. After winning his first FO in 2016, Djokovic played 1 FO final in 2020, which was a 3-setter final.

It all points to one thing, AO is relatively easier for Rafa than FO is for Federer and Djokovic. Rafa is the better player; in short, GOAT.
 

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It all points to one thing, AO is relatively easier for Rafa than FO is for Federer and Djokovic.
Actually, I would argue that Wimbledon is the hardest to win for Nadal due to his vulnerability in the first week to big servers and grass-court type of players. Australian Open seems to be kind of a cursed slam for him and given the history of his performances there, he is unlucky to not win it twice.
 

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Yet, Federer and Djokovic did not go through Rafa or beat Rafa in the final or go through one of the Big 3 or beat one of the Big 3 in the final to win their lone FOs.

On the other hand, Rafa beat Federer (one of the Big 3) in the final to win his AO, and also one of the Big 3 in the finals to win his other slams.

Further, after winning his first AO in 2009, Rafa played 2 5-setters in AO finals - a 5-setter vs. Djokovic in 2012 AO final and another 5-setter vs. Federer in 2017 AO final.

On the other hand, after winning his first FO in 2009, Federer played 1 FO final in 2011, which was a 4-setter. After winning his first FO in 2016, Djokovic played 1 FO final in 2020, which was a 3-setter.

It all points to one thing, AO is relatively easier for Rafa than FO is for Federer and Djokovic. Rafa is the better player; in short, GOAT.
Because Federer and Djokovic are in the SF and Finals of all of the slams more often than Nadal with the exception of RG. Therefor for Rafa to win he has to beat one of them. Rafa is basically unbeatable on clay when he is in form and therefor the only way to realistically win a RG is if he is out of form and loses early in the tournament.

Nadal's game simply suits itself better to clay than any other surface (especially on the RG clay). That is why he is vastly more dominant on clay than anywhere else. It is not simply a matter of talent, but also style of play. Nadal's strengths and the style in which he uses them makes him essentially impossible to deal with on clay (unless you catch him on a day where he's not his best such as RG 2015).

Neither Federer or Djokovic have something stylistically that makes them nearly unbeatable on a specific surface (such as Nadal's extremely heavy lefty forehand or the fact he is a much better mover on clay than other surfaces).
 

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Everything I said about the WTF applies to every masters tournament. They are all held every single year and thus you will get many more opportunities to win those than an Olympics. Therefor it is a bigger blemish to not have those on your resume as you would have had plenty of opportunities to play them while being healthy.
There is a slight thing though about WTF being held on indoors HC, by far Nadal's least successful surface. If it was held on clay haha...
 

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There is a slight thing though about WTF being held on indoors HC, by far Nadal's least successful surface. If it was held on clay haha...
Ah, yeah. We should change the surface cause Nadal cannot win it. If RG was held on carpet then something else could happen. What it would be? lol
 

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Can you imagine how unbearable Nadal tards would be if he had kept winning against Federer? But now they have to shut up about the H2H since the old man pigeonized him. Honestly their increasing desperation as the GOAT prize gets buried under a mountain of clay is hilarious to observe.
 
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