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yes its very clear Nadal a little greater hard court player than Sampras Nadal has more hard court wins and masters than Sampras matches won 484-42, masters 10-8. Sampras only has two more majors 7-5 But Nadal played in a much harder era Against two top hard court ATG Djokovic-Federer I think clear goes to Nadal here but only just. Ivan lendI even worst case Nadal has more hard court wins 484-396, more QTR finals 112-82 semi finals 82-66 Nadal has Olympic gold metal on hard courts on top of all that majors 5-5 masters 10-10. Nadal is also by far the winner over Ivan lendi unless want to make a big deal about winning more 250-500 events pretty useless if you ask me. than finally we come to Agassi again same story as Sampras his stats over Nadal are not big ones only 1 more major 6-5 masters 14-10, matches wins which Nadal can close in next two seasons as well all of other stats the rest of Nadal career. Again the edge goes to Nadal over Agassi because Nadal played in a harder era with the two hard court goats Djokovic-federer we all Nadal know would have 9-10 majors on hard courts if not for Djokovic. its very clear to me at least Nadal is just by a little bit 3rd Goat what you guys think? its ok if you disagree.
 

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Never won the ATP Finals
Never won Miami Masters
Never won Shanghai Masters
Never won Paris Masters
Only once won Cincinnati Masters and only once won Aussie Open

He has a good record at the Roger's Cup and his 4 US Open titles is a great achievement, but that's about his only ATG-worthy hardcourt stat IMO. Outside of the Canada Masters and the US Open, Nadal has only won 2 titles out of 66 attempts combined across the AO, Miami, Shanghai, Paris, Cincinnati, and the ATP Finals. He's got a losing H2H against many of the "weak era" players on hardcourts: 2-3 vs Hewitt, 1-6 (!) vs Davydenko, only has a tiny 4-3 lead over Roddick, has a 5-6 losing record against Del Potro and of course losing records against both Novak and Roger on the surface. In fact, he has a losing record against top 10 players in general on hardcourts across his career: 71-72 (49.7% win rate). Furthermore: in his entire career, he has only once defended a hardcourt title.
 

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Top 3 hard court Goat Nadal also has more hard courts semi finals and finals than Sampras.
Fake news Nadal has overall winning hard Court percentage of 77% top 10 in history. 5 Canada open titles, Five slams on hard courts top 5 of all time only 4 ever won more hard courts slams than Nadal. 3 Indian Wells titles. Gold 🏅 on hard courts but it's clear your just a troll so there's no point trying to debate King greatless on hard courts Bye now. Also you forgot both Djokovic Federer are only about 50% on clay as well they only have play a few events while Nadal plays way more matches on hard courts.
 

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That's a good stat for Nadal about 50-50 vs. top 10 on hard courts little under Don't mind at all as if it matters then Nadal has 5 slams on hard courts 4th most in history. Also both Djokovic and Federer are only about 50-51% as top 10 on clay as well not really anything high percentage wise. yet you guys to pick Nadal top 10 then there's way more matches on hard courts in a season LOL. It's a bit dumb pick on top 10 for Nadal then he's overall record is 77% players outside top 10 are good as well.
 

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25.5 y.o. Sampras has amassed 6 HC slams + 3 WTF titles (in 1997), becoming HC goat (Lendl was at 5, Agassi won his 5th & 6th in 2001 & '03), (Sampras 7 HC slams + 5 WTF overall).

25.5 y.o. Nadal 2 HC slams + 0 WTF titles, despite his eight consecutive HC cakewalk draws 2008-2011 with Djokovic always in Federer's half.

34.5 y.o. Nadal 5 HC slams + 0 WTF titles.
 

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Nadal has overall winning hard Court percentage of 77% top 10 in history.
49.7% (71-72)

I don't mind, you put him 3rd "goat" hard if you want, but to my knowledge nobody put Federer and Djokovic in the top 3 "goat" on clay. :)

Also both Djokovic and Federer are only about 50-51% as top 10 on clay
Clay, vs top 10
Federer: 52.5 (32-29)
Djokovic: 56.9% (41-31)
 

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Also even the top 10 stat about Nadal on hard courts misleading because about 30-35 loses come to just 2-3 players Federer Djokovic, Murray. Nadal leads Wawrinka Murray, on hard courts H2H and Federer outdoor hard courts that the true story.
 

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49.7% (71-72)

I don't mind, you put him 3rd "goat" hard if you want, but to my knowledge nobody put Federer and Djokovic in the top 3 "goat" on clay. :)


Clay, vs top 10
Federer: 52.5 (32-29)
Djokovic: 56.9% (41-31)
Ok so I was right Federer only about 52%, just a little over half way not really high at All, but like a said Nadal plays way more matches on hard courts 144-61. So of course Nadal going to be a little worst than both Djokovic Federer really just common sense. You say Never go out Federer or Djokovic top 3 on clay will they never 5 slams on clay did they No just 1 unlike Nadal who's won 5th most hard Court title majors in history. 5 majors on hard courts to 1 on clay yea big gap there man😄
 

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Ok so I was right Federer only about 52%, just a little over half way not really high at All, but like a said Nadal plays way more matches on hard courts 144-61. So of course Nadal going to be a little worst than both Djokovic Federer really just common sense. You say Never go out Federer or Djokovic top 3 on clay will they never 5 slams on clay did they No just 1 unlike Nadal who's won 4th most hard Court title majors in history. 5 majors on hard courts to 1 on clay yea big gap there man😄
4th most hard court majors in history, that can’t be right - Djokovic, Federer, Sampras, Agassi
not sure if anyone else has more but Lendl also has 5 I think, maybe someone else
 

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The truth is that Nadal is only Top 5 on one surface (well Top 1 really) but Top 10 at best on the others. Federer and Djokovic are Top 5 on at least two.
So you Djokovic 5 Wimbledon titles as top 5 ATG on grass, but not Nadal 5 hard Court majors as top 5 on hard courts you see how that makes No sense troll.
 

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4th most hard court majors in history, that can’t be right - Djokovic, Federer, Sampras, Agassi
not sure if anyone else has more but Lendl also has 5 I think, maybe someone else
Sorry typo yes your right but that makes Nadal at least tie 5th with Lendi all time goat if you ignore my stats on first post.
 

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So you Djokovic 5 Wimbledon titles as top 5 ATG on grass, but not Nadal 5 hard Court majors as top 5 on hard courts you see how that makes No sense troll.
Open Era, Grass Majors:

RankNameLast DateCount
1Roger Federer03-07-20178
2Pete Sampras26-06-20007
3John Newcombe21-12-19745
3Bjorn Borg23-06-19805
3Novak Djokovic01-07-20195
6Rod Laver27-08-19694
6Jimmy Connors21-06-19824
6Stefan Edberg25-06-19904
9Ken Rosewall26-12-19713
9Arthur Ashe23-06-19753
9John McEnroe25-06-19843
9Boris Becker26-06-19893

Djokovic amassing the same number of slams as Borg and Newcombe who could've won grass slam at AO/USO/Wimb.

HC Majors:
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Federer 11
Djokovic 11
Sampras 7 (5 WTFs, 2 HC + 3 Carpet)
Agassi 6
Lendl 5 (5 WTFs Carpet)
Nadal 5
McEnroe 4 (3 WTFs Carpet)
 
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