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Without an atp finals win, will he be considered a great? It’s an interesting question to have tbh. This major hole in his cv will plague him no doubt. Even Dimitrov has won it.
 

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Nadal on the other hand has won modern Olympics, which is greater than a slam, let alone WTF, which serves for the promotion of younger players last few years.
 

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He will retire with the most grand slams that a player has ever won. That's his legacy, if any future aspirants want to chase.

After he achieves that, folks will throw everything else in the dustbin.
 

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Without an atp finals win, will he be considered a great? It’s an interesting question to have tbh. This major hole in his cv will plague him no doubt. Even Dimitrov has won it.
Of course he will be considered a great, even more than that.
The problem with 0 ATP Finals is that he will never be considered the best, the GOAT.
 

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he is without question lacking in the indoor tennis department, but he more than makes up for it with the outdoors especially on Clay, no tennis player is utterly dominant at all times, the big three have been collectively however.
 

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Dull will be the Slam Leader probably for 20-22 years, but won't be considered as the GOAT, because he is claycourt specialist without long period of dominance and mediocre record vs top-10 outside of dirt (that's why he never won WTF). Not to mention that he and Djokovic vultured many Slams in weakest era ever (2017+).
 

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I think seeing dimitrov and as of now Tsitsipas won it, means its not something he cant win...he just has happened to not win.

His olympics in singles and doubles make up for it. Only once in 4 years(word cup) far greater than something every year(champions league)

Im the olympics YOU MUST SHOW UP. Its only every 4 years, you cant underperform and dont tell me they dont care as much. They defo do
 

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For me rafas inability to win this tournament just illustrates his lack of talent in comparison to his peers. Not sure how you can be considered GOAT when you can't win a round robin against your top peers in your own generation.

Don't get me wrong, rafa is a warrior and his clay record is one of the most impressive things in all of sport. However, missing this title does reveal a very interesting weakness in his game when he has to face off against the top players on a hard court.
 

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When tennis realizes that playing in the dirt is ridiculous he'll be equivelant to Leander Paes being the dung court GOAT, i.e. totally forgotten, meanwhile, King Roger and Prince Novak will have statues built of them.
 

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For me rafas inability to win this tournament just illustrates his lack of talent in comparison to his peers. Not sure how you can be considered GOAT when you can't win a round robin against your top peers in your own generation.

Don't get me wrong, rafa is a warrior and his clay record is one of the most impressive things in all of sport. However, missing this title does reveal a very interesting weakness in his game when he has to face off against the top players on a hard court.
The fact its a round robin is irrelevant point as he has got to finals before. It debunks the idea that the format hurts him. He lost to peak efforts often in london.
 

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Nadal was already an all time great 10 years ago, of course he’ll be considered great. Whether he ever wins the atp finals or (more likely) not
 

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The interminable GOAT debate notwithstanding (since, like beauty, it’s in the eye of the beholder) Nadal will go down as:
1) One of the all-time greatest tennis players
2) One of the greatest athletes to play the game
3) As fierce and determined a competitor as anyone in any sport

He gave his all and did so all the time, rarely taking even a point off, much less a match. Personally, I don’t see that his relative lack of success on indoor fast surfaces detracts from his legacy. BTW, I’m a Federer fan, but I have to give Nadal his due.
 

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Dull will be the Slam Leader probably for 20-22 years, but won't be considered as the GOAT, because he is claycourt specialist without long period of dominance and mediocre record vs top-10 outside of dirt (that's why he never won WTF). Not to mention that he and Djokovic vultured many Slams in weakest era ever (2017+).
As always speaking utterly nonsense, please take the Fedtard tshirt for once. Nadal is clearly not the best indoors but he has been there several times for the take. And this year he was up there in level with Thiem and Medvedev as the best, but he lacked in the mental department, he should have beat Medvedev in the Semi.. he has been many times in the SF at least, and half of the time he either retired for injury or didnt participate because of it. Also you have to consider you are tying to measure greatness of a player in conditions that are a small minority for todays tennis where 90% of tournaments are played outdoor.

Its by no means like Sampras on RG with a sole RG final and never being at level of RG champion..
 

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For me nadal needs to win aussi open to put himself in the picture again, and one more us open wouldn’t hurt.
 

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You know I actually don't mind Nadal, he's good, he seems nice but what makes this forum so great is how AWFUL all of his Dulltards act and be about as dumb as a zombie from Dawn of the Dead. It's a ridiculous cult.
 

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Of course he’ll be considered a great, was so already 10 years ago.

On the other had the concept of GOAT is dubious anyway cause it’s impossible to compare players between eras.
 

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On the other had the concept of GOAT is dubious anyway cause it’s impossible to compare players between eras.
I agree, that's why he won't be compared to GOATS likes Connors and McEnroe and Borg. but who he will be compared to are his contempories Roger and Novak, and Nadull obviously falls in the third spot. Just facts.
 
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