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As I have observed in yesterday's live commentary thread, Nadal started serving better when he was down by a set.This was supposed to be reserved for the final against Djokovic but he pulled it out yesterday. His fastest serve was up to 197kmh, just a little bit slower than the other two taller guys(204kmh for Murray and 201kmh for Djokovic respectively).


His average first serve and second serve speed were even faster than the tall Murray (174kmh vs 173kmh; 139kmh vs 133kmh) and he is only a bit slower than Djokovic who has 180kmh for first serve and 146kmh for second serve)

Bear in mind Nadal's serve is not known for the speed but the spin, especially on clay. His serve kicks high and has heavy slice. Spin and slice makes the ball a bit slower. So a 170kmh+ first serve from Nadal can be as good as a 190kmh+ first serve.

The king of clay is back. I am sure his service performance will further improve in the final.
Poor form argument again not working since Nadal always reserves his best for grand slam? Djokovic's chance is getting slimmer and slimmer.
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Additional stats on Nadal's serve:
2013USO F:1st serve average: 176kmh, 2nd serve average 141kmh
2013RG SF: 1st serve average: 179kmh, 2nd serve average 143kmh
 

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wonder what Murray's positioning will be on the 2nd serve :lol:
 

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Rafa's injury is mental... not physical. He wasn't injured against Wawrinka in the first set but as soon as he lost the first set, back got injured ... mentally
 

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Rafa's injury is mental... not physical. He wasn't injured against Wawrinka in the first set but as soon as he lost the first set, back got injured ... mentally
:haha::haha:
only thing injured is Dulls brain
Murphy will camp 3 metres inside the baseline for Braindulls second serves:D
 

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There never was an injury.
MTF did believe he was injured. Otherwise they wouldn't say Nadal ain't beating Djokovic because his form was poor. Everyone knows Nadal has a better clay court game than Djokovic. Djokovic needs some magic here to upset Nadal.
 

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His serve is not good. For whatever reason. Now, leave Rafa alone, those hatred threads are real tiring :zzz:
He will be good in the final. MTF will implode becoz of Nadal's "surprising" triumph.
 

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:haha::haha:
only thing injured is Dulls brain
Murphy will camp 3 metres inside the baseline for Braindulls second serves:D
Murphy will be schooled by Nadal's kick serve
 

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Yeah, in some matches he served like Sara Errani, yesterday he improved to Radwanska. :lol:

Nadull's serve is crap, not a factor at all. Why don'y you post averages for Rome's 2014 final too? It's basically the same. :lol:
 

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It's a miracle
 

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Yeah, in some matches he served like Sara Errani, yesterday he improved to Radwanska. :lol:

Nadull's serve is crap, not a factor at all. Why don'y you post averages for Rome's 2014 final too? It's basically the same. :lol:
Nadal reserves his best for GRAND SLAM, unlike Djokovic who plays his best in master and atp500 to vulture points
 

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His average first serve and second serve speed were even faster than the tall Murray (174kmh vs 173kmh; 139kmh vs 133kmh) and he is only a bit slower than Djokovic who has 180kmh for first serve and 146kmh for second serve)

Bear in mind Nadal's serve is not known for the speed but the spin, especially on clay. His serve kicks high and has heavy slice. Spin and slice makes the ball a bit slower. So a 170kmh+ first serve from Nadal can be as good as a 190kmh+ first serve.
:lol:

This post if full of comedy. 6-7 km/h of average isn't "just a bit".

And either a serve kicks high or it has slice. It's impossible to do both at the same time. Nadal's serve is usually a slice to the backhand opponent (specially adv court) or a top spin serve (but it's not a high kick by any means). Sometimes he uses a flat serve in the adv court (usually in big points). This 197 km/h was one of those flat serves. 197 for a flat serve is pretty average.
 

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:lol:

This post if full of comedy. 6-7 km/h of average isn't "just a bit".

And either a serve kicks high or it has slice. It's impossible to do both at the same time. Nadal's serve is usually a slice to the backhand opponent (specially adv court) or a top spin serve (but it's not a high kick by any means). Sometimes he uses a flat serve in the adv court (usually in big points). This 197 km/h was one of those flat serves. 197 for a flat serve is pretty average.
It is possible to kick and slice at the same time but the kick will be reduced.
 

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:lol:

This post if full of comedy. 6-7 km/h of average isn't "just a bit".

And either a serve kicks high or it has slice. It's impossible to do both at the same time. Nadal's serve is usually a slice to the backhand opponent (specially adv court) or a top spin serve (but it's not a high kick by any means). Sometimes he uses a flat serve in the adv court (usually in big points). This 197 km/h was one of those flat serves. 197 for a flat serve is pretty average.
That's not really true :shrug:

A serve can have both kick and slice, for instance, it can kick over the net, but when it hits the ground, can slice away. Of course to put so much action on the serve one must slow down the raw speed.
 

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That's not really true :shrug:

A serve can have both kick and slice, for instance, it can kick over the net, but when it hits the ground, can slice away. Of course to put so much action on the serve one must slow down the raw speed.
no offense but we've seen you serve
 

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like back injury was ever present :lol:

after AO he didn't want to serve at 100% to gain a bit of credibility for AO final roasting, now when he managed to fool everybody can again gain that extra 5% which he was lacking during credibility gaining period
 

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I don't care whether his injury is fake or not.
I only know he will be injury-free and play at his best against Djokovic when it counts.
He is one of those "big-match players" while Djokovic is a little tour vulture who is likely to fail in grand slam.
 

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Ask any Djokovic fans including me, they'll want the US Open title back more than those garbage 4 consecutive wins since China Open.
 
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