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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

I realize fact-checking is not your thing, but you should choose - either fact-checking and presenting stats or none of them. Remember the top-10 win stats you gave. They were false on both occasions, easily proven to be so - five minutes of fact-checking would have told you this before presenting even without much prior knowledge. But I guess correct stats are anal? The important thing is to give then fast, not get them right?

As for your generic comments, they are more misleading than anything else. The only surface distribution that gives Sampras an elite winning % is grass only.
Is that supposed to be your apology for twisting my words on purpose and then accusing me of false stats...

You claimed above:
After all, you suggested clay was the reason Sampras didn't have any 90%+ seasons.
When I actually wrote:
For Sampras many losses come on clay. There's nothing strange for Sampras with career win% of 63% losing early on clay... as there is nothing unexpected on Nadal with 78% on hard having some losses. So it's mostly a matter of distribution between surfaces - not lack of consistency.
You really are making something out of nothing. Accusations from thin air. And after realizing that you were wrong you start about unrelated top 10 stats. You sir are the pits.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

If Nadal is a clay specialist, what is Murray? The Spaniard owns him on HC and grass.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76&77

Now you've lost me. Nadal does clearly better than Sampras here. Just look at posts #76, #77 and #113. He's behind everywhere. Are you suggesting the numbers are still too flattering for Sampras in comparison?
I didnt look at their %´s vs one another. I was just stating that in rafas case clay is 33% of the field, where Sampras has 66% to his advantage.

Problem for Sampras is he really sucked on clay.
While Rafa can keep his ground on HC and grass. Could on grass not anymore. Then late in the season its indoor. which is more favorable for Nole, Federer and Murray rather then Rafa.

This is one stat that doesnt botter me when is broken down. I like the career totals, which says it all. Not like others who had to wait till the roadblocks got retired.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76&77

I didnt look at their %´s vs one another. I was just stating that in rafas case clay is 33% of the field, where Sampras has 66% to his advantage.

Problem for Sampras is he really sucked on clay.
While Rafa can keep his ground on HC and grass. Could on grass not anymore. Then late in the season its indoor. which is more favorable for Nole, Federer and Murray rather then Rafa.

This is one stat that doesnt botter me when is broken down. I like the career totals, which says it all. Not like others who had to wait till the roadblocks got retired.
Why did you choose Sampras to compare with? Nadal does badly in comparison with Lendl, Connors and McEnroe. This you apparently don't mind. But being comfortably ahead of Sampras, that you do mind, since the difference is not big enough?

Good for you that the stat doesn't bother you, though. Noone will top everything.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

A clay specialist with 11 non RG finals?

Clay specialist who have beaten HC slam specialists such as Djokovic in HC slams during their prime?

I see Nadal as a better player in clay than anywhere else, bu that's it, he has never been a clay specialist bar in the very early of his career.

Bar nadal in 2005, he always has played at least 1 non Rg slam final in every year.

2006-2014... thats 9 years in a row..

How many years did federer play non-wimbledon finals?

2004-2011 ... 8 years in a row..
Yes, despite he achieved a lot of success outside of clay, he is clay specialist in the first place. Of course he isn't a clay specialist like Montanes or whoever, who is able to make some result only on clay and who non-factor outside...

I don't see it that way...

For example in 2013 Nadal was stellar post Wimbledon. If he had been healthy in 2012 and 2014 his results might have been similar which would have probably increased his career win% and certainly giving him chances to win more big titles on hard.

Nadal really has been a force on hard the past years when healthy... since 2010 USO he has played 6 HC slams and reached 5 finals. So these injuries have negative effect on his stats, not positive.
This is rather speculative, but I don't think so. It also might have been like in 2009...

Nadal's W/L percentage is so high, that he would need perfect HC season in order to even improve it. As in 2013. So considering his 2014 form I doubt he would have improved something this year.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Dull's W/L ratio in finals on grass and hard is <1. His 11 non RG finals aren't exactly that impressive when you consider he has converted only 5 of them(wins vs mono Fed, Fed, Berdych 0 USO Champion Djokovic 2010 (who barely beat any top players that year apart from the semis USO) and Djokovic) and losses to Wawrinka, Djokovic, Djokovic, Djokovic, Federer, Federer). And what is this stat about non Wimbledon and non RG finals in consecutive years? lol. Next we'll be hearing of match X played on Wednesday morning on a rainy day. Really you could argue Nadal is versatile if you wanted to but comparing him to Federer makes you look stupid. The guy has as many USOs as Nadal as non clay slams for crying out loud!
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Litotes showing increasing impatience with lesser beings on MTF.

Will be interesting to see if you understand what I mean this time.
Whenever there is something I don't know I check before making comments. Whenever there is something you don't know you publish without delay and leave fact checking to others, but without the disclaimer that you're not really sure about what you're posting. That is a very annoying habit. You should at least add disclaimers, and give sources, so it's easier for others to check up on your stats.
I realize fact-checking is not your thing
:lol:

Nice condescending touch, mister moderator.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Litotes showing increasing impatience with lesser beings on MTF.




:lol:

Nice condescending touch, mister moderator.

I take it you don't mind MrMarbles insults, long preceding this thread, or his erroneous and misleading stats, or claims not to understand fairly straightforward comments, leading me to have to repeat myself? I really doubt he didn't understand my comment about injuries immediately. He just felt he could score a point by appearing not to.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Litotes showing increasing impatience with lesser beings on MTF.

:lol:

Nice condescending touch, mister moderator.
Just because he's a mod it doesn't mean he can't call a spade a spade. MrMarbles is notorious for inventing stats and attributing things to other posters that weren't even said when he doesn't have a counter point (which is pretty much all the time). I have dealt with said poster before and he can be really infuriating. Disagreements are fine but blatant invention of numbers, selective quoting and lies are not. By his own admission, he doesn't feel the need to check the numbers before making an argument on them. I find that a lot more rude and disrespectful than anything Litotes or anyone else might have said on this thread.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

I take it you don't mind MrMarbles insults.
Just like you don't mind the insults of many a fellow fedtard, right?

I don't hide my bias. :shrug:
Difference is, I'm not a mod. :) :wavey:

Before you say it, I understand that you're a very loyal Federer fan and it's obviously your prerogative. Being a moderator shouldn't stop you from being a fan of specific players.

But allow me to be amused how often you, mister moderator, are seen on MTF picking holes in the arguments of mostly Nadal tards, when you leave so much idiocy free of criticism from your part. You are quite partial in tackling inconsistencies in your function as a moderator.

As far as your ongoing debate with Mr.Marble is concerned: is there a point to keeping it going since it's clear that you're not going to agree anyway?
It's just a pissing contest. :shrug:

I honestly don't get just how insecure some of you can get. Federer is a fantastic player, the GOAT....As a Nadal fan, I accept that. Federer has a better resume in general as Nadal, although Nadal's achievements in tennis are superb as well.
Why the need to keep on picking holes in the resume of other players just to put one player even higher on a pedestal.
Although, with many on MTF, I suspect that you're arguing out of sheer boredom.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

If Nadal is a clay specialist, what is Murray? The Spaniard owns him on HC and grass.
h2h 6-5 Nadal
GS h2h 2-2 (one of Nadals wins comming in the AO 2007)

natural surfaces yes, but not on hard.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Just like you don't mind the insults of many a fellow fedtard, right?

I don't hide my bias. :shrug:
Difference is, I'm not a mod. :) :wavey:

Before you say it, I understand that you're a very loyal Federer fan and it's obviously your prerogative. Being a moderator shouldn't stop you from being a fan of specific players.

But allow me to be amused how often you, mister moderator, are seen on MTF picking holes in the arguments of mostly Nadal tards, when you leave so much idiocy free of criticism from your part. You are quite partial in tackling inconsistencies in your function as a moderator.

As far as your ongoing debate with Mr.Marble is concerned: is there a point to keeping it going since it's clear that you're not going to agree anyway?
It's just a pissing contest. :shrug:

I honestly don't get just how insecure some of you can get. Federer is a fantastic player, the GOAT....As a Nadal fan, I accept that. Federer has a better resume in general as Nadal, although Nadal's achievements in tennis are superb as well.
Why the need to keep on picking holes in the resume of other players just to put one player even higher on a pedestal.
Although, with many on MTF, I suspect that you're arguing out of sheer boredom.
Only in the mind of a Nadulltard is correcting misinformation and posting statistics an attack on Nadull :facepalm: What you mean by "not going to agree with each other" is that Mr.Marble is wrong but as a Nadulltard your tribal politics are more important than truth. Must be sad to have such delusion over such trivial things, I can't imagine how biased you must be about issues in the real world that are actually subjective.

I guess if reality disagrees with you it's all a conspiracy, makes sense being a fan of Nadull even though he's the most hated player on this forum and in the world by quite some margin.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Just like you don't mind the insults of many a fellow fedtard, right?

I don't hide my bias. :shrug:
Difference is, I'm not a mod. :) :wavey:

Before you say it, I understand that you're a very loyal Federer fan and it's obviously your prerogative. Being a moderator shouldn't stop you from being a fan of specific players.

But allow me to be amused how often you, mister moderator, are seen on MTF picking holes in the arguments of mostly Nadal tards, when you leave so much idiocy free of criticism from your part. You are quite partial in tackling inconsistencies in your function as a moderator.

As far as your ongoing debate with Mr.Marble is concerned: is there a point to keeping it going since it's clear that you're not going to agree anyway?
It's just a pissing contest. :shrug:

I honestly don't get just how insecure some of you can get. Federer is a fantastic player, the GOAT....As a Nadal fan, I accept that. Federer has a better resume in general as Nadal, although Nadal's achievements in tennis are superb as well.
Why the need to keep on picking holes in the resume of other players just to put one player even higher on a pedestal.
Although, with many on MTF, I suspect that you're arguing out of sheer boredom.
This.
Disrespectful behavior from the mod. I don't mind mods supporting a player, but I mind the ones that do that but at the same time pretend they're unbiased.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Just like you don't mind the insults of many a fellow fedtard, right?
You were the one singling me out. If you frequently got insulted by a fedtard then I wouldn't single you out for replying. Unless of course you broke the rules while doing so.


But allow me to be amused how often you, mister moderator, are seen on MTF picking holes in the arguments of mostly Nadal tards, when you leave so much idiocy free of criticism from your part. You are quite partial in tackling inconsistencies in your function as a moderator.

I am not tackling these instances of faulty information as a moderator but as a poster. If it was against the rules to post this kind of faulty info I could just have deleted the posts and be done with it. And I correct any faulty stats I come over, in any direction, when I am able to and noone else has done it before me. General "statless" insults towards either player I tend to leave alone, though, as long as it doesn't evolve into player bashing or other rule breaking situations when I have to act as a mod.
 

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This.
Disrespectful behavior from the mod. I don't mind mods supporting a player, but I mind the ones that do that but at the same time pretend they're unbiased.
welcome to mtf :wavey:.
 

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I am not tackling these instances of faulty information as a moderator but as a poster.
You can't separate the two like that. :shrug:

Underneath your username, there's the clear label "super-mod". Not even just "moderator" but "super-mod". So, with every single post you make, people see your "super-mod" label.


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And about your brave fight against faulty statistics. Are you kidding? As if you haven't ignored plenty of faulty information on MTF.
The entire GOAT debate has never been straight-forward. One person simply counts major titles, the next one figures that Olympic Singles gold should also matter, yet another person thinks that the WTF titles are a factor, somebody else starts discussing h2h results. That's not even talking about era issues. Players from different eras, playing in different circumstances with different material are compared. It's simply not a matter of "faulty" statistics but it's a matter of selecting the context that fits you the best and you - like most on MTF - have chosen a very specific context in which you have drawn the line of "wrong" and "right".

Besides, you know what people say about statistics: there are lies, big lies and then, there are statistics.
Or, as one of my statistics professors used to say: you can prove just about anything with statistics as long as you know how to use specific numbers in a specific order within a specific context.

As I said, I don't have a problem with your bias for or against certain players. You're not a player basher either. But you have serious inconsistency issues as a moderator IMO.
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

Just because he's a mod it doesn't mean he can't call a spade a spade. MrMarbles is notorious for inventing stats and attributing things to other posters that weren't even said when he doesn't have a counter point (which is pretty much all the time). I have dealt with said poster before and he can be really infuriating. Disagreements are fine but blatant invention of numbers, selective quoting and lies are not. By his own admission, he doesn't feel the need to check the numbers before making an argument on them. I find that a lot more rude and disrespectful than anything Litotes or anyone else might have said on this thread.
It is you who is spewing lies here about me, in stalking way too... this is not the first time. At no point have I falsified any stat or lied about anyone. In your first day over a month ago I may have misrepresented something you said but I never wrote lies about you. Let it go already. If you carry on this behaviour I will report you to mods, heck maybe even to Litotes. :)

Litotes, I think you invented this fight from nothing... I merely argued that Sampras' and Nadal's career win% is influenced by surface distribution... which is certainly true, is it not?
If you want to argue against it with stats that's ok but ad hominem against me was imo uncalled for. Even if I had been wrong I don't think that deserved personal insults in condescending manner.

Tennis is only a game ffs, not a matter of life and death...
 

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Re: Nadal & Borg winning percentage is really overrated │ New Stats 76 & 77 & 113!

This thread has everything :lol:

It has provided great entertainment.
 
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