It was a tie-break, lots of tension, and he was frustrated. I will cut him some slack. I don't think he is deeply racist or anything like that. Just frustration. He could have complained about the coughing alone but we can say ugly things when we are angry and that tense.

 

It was a tie-break, lots of tension, and he was frustrated. I will cut him some slack. I don't think he is deeply racist or anything like that. Just frustration. He could have complained about the coughing alone but we can say ugly things when we are angry.

I see your point but he’s a Top10 player in the second most important event of a 1.8 billion people’s country. He’s not playing some random ITF that no one is watching.

Like it or not, he has a responsibility. What he says or does can make (a lot of) people very happy or very sad. He can give much joy or hurt deeply.

When one has power and influence, one must act like it. No excuses from me. Either grow up or go back to playing in your club.

 

I'm pretty sure everyone says stupid things sometimes, when we generalize. I heard one too many times "the Romanian thieves", "the gipsies", blabla. We're all getting too sensitive. I don't wanna know what Năstase would have said nowadays with all the cameras and internet spreading everything everywhere.

I do hear a lot of noises in these matches in China, I don't know if it's the Chinese cough-vid or maybe it's the way the stadiums are built, these round shapes make the acoustic better.

Anyway, move on and cough less.

 

This. I’ve said tons of stuff generalising, as has most people on here! It’s natural.

 

Thoughts? I genuinely can't believe how sensitive people are today.

"There's something dark in him" .... Jesus fucking Christ..

 

Thoughts? I genuinely can't believe how sensitive people are today.

Come on, you go to play in China and then you rant "those damn Chinese", that's just insanely stupid thing to do

 

Government began to actively discourage certain non-Western practices as early as 2007 to improve East-West relations regarding customs in China that have been considered "normal" for hundreds of years

**** This is not racism coming from me whatsoever!!!! I lived in Hong Kong for 6 months w a mega powerful Chinese family & we often discussed how Chinese common practices are not considered good manners in the West.

So go ahead throw dumplings at me now 🥟🥟🥟🥟🥟🥟

 

Isn't this picture tell people not to spit?(Though it's useless lol)

 

Covid and stuff aside, Chinese people smoke a lot don't they? Perhaps that could be why they cough a lot.

 

or maybe it’s air pollution - in Beijing specifically you need to wear a mask outdoors just to breathe on some days.

 

Come on, you go to play in China and then you rant "those damn Chinese", that's just insanely stupid thing to do

That's the thing, you always want to be extra respectful in someone else's country

Government began to actively discourage certain non-Western practices as early as 2007 to improve East-West relations regarding customs in China that have been considered "normal" for hundreds of years

**** This is not racism coming from me whatsoever!!!! I lived in Hong Kong for 6 months w a mega powerful Chinese family & we often discussed how Chinese common practices are not considered good manners in the West.

So go ahead throw dumplings at me now 🥟🥟🥟🥟🥟🥟

So is this coughing and spitting a thing in China?

What other common Chinese practices are not good manners in the West?

Covid and stuff aside, Chinese people smoke a lot don't they? Perhaps that could be why they cough a lot.

Europeans smoke plenty as well

 

That's the thing, you always want to be extra respectful in someone else's country



So is this coughing and spitting a thing in China?

What other common Chinese practices are not good manners in the West?

Europeans smoke plenty as well

One thing that truly shocked me in China was in airports everyone pushes and shoves in the lines, cut in lines, etc. It is as though there are no rules.

The first time I went to Hong Kong I was w an athletic tall Chinese "ruling class" type dude, & he pushed people back & warned in Cantonese those who pushed me not to touch me or he he would slap them... which he actually did one time (gently, just a warning).

I have a hilarious story about my first time in that airport. It was a sea of a few hundred people w black hair. I noticed one other Caucasian among the hundreds. It was holiday period (Christmas, western New Years Day, so airport was packed). I saw this tall man w long thick blond wavy lion-type hair, jeans, well-built. He turned around and it was motherfreaking FABIO (Google him) Talked to him and he said he'd been hired for $1,000,000 to appear at a big fancy New Year's Eve party as the "celebrity guest" 🤣 He is truly a lovely gentleman (Italian) and also protected me from people pushing and shoving me around to cut in lines to get their luggage.

In public transportation (bus, subway) it's considered extremely rude to make any eye contact with ANYONE. Again, if I saw another Caucasian (usually a British person) I would try to sit with them.

Public spitting was greatly eliminated because the Hong Kong City Government began to write tickets to people who spit everywhere, and then published a list in the local newspaper of all those who had been cited for spitting to humiliate them and their families.

Smoking in expensive restaurants could be easily handled w a large tip to the Maitre d. Also In one of the most fancy restaurants I went to (uniformed waiters w white gloves, etc), the table next to us ordered a duck & a waiter brought a large dark bluish green dead duck draped over his gloves to get the approval of the customers 🤮

I could go on for days but it has nothing to do with tennis!

 

I'm baffled this non-thing became a news.
How is saying people are caughing racist lmao.

 

Okay, he said something unfriendly. So what?
This thread is the definition of, "Making a mountain out of a molehill."

 

I see no racism at all, the OP is probably taking pee sitting down
We are living in the snowflake era
Bring back the times when we had movies like Borat or commercials like this one

 

No matter what his intention is, "those damn Chinese" sounds pretty racist to me.

 

Exactly.

Musetti is a habitual foul mouth but only Italians knew his bad manners since he mumbles in that language only. So the idiot figured he could just swear like a sailor at the Chinese, and now he's shocked that his own people translated it and called him out when he hit the big leagues. Sorry, buddy, the "charming, cursing in Italian" phase was for the minors. Top ten means you're on the main stage now. Scrub mentality of "they can't understand me, so I'll just grunt obscenities" doesn't work any more at the elite level, where there are a lot more eyeballs. He can't just act like he's screaming into the void at some Podunk challenger.

His low rent mentality also explains why he keeps losing in finals and SFs — he's unfit for the top.

 

 

ahahahhaaha

 

That isn't racist at all wtf, people nowadays are so fking soft

Prob wasn't the best choice of words in the heat of the moment, but it's clear that he was annoyed at and was referring specifically to all the people coughing, whether it's deliberate or not we don't know - if not then he's at fault cuz it's outside their control if they're sick, but this isn't racist at all

What Townsend did/said towards the Chinese & their culture was 10x worse and way more disrespectful, she should be getting a lot more hate or heat for what she did

 

What did Townsend do and say? I missed it.
Should she be sent back to town?

 

Another molehill for the looking to be offended crowd.

“something dark in him”

Bitch, please.

 

“something dark in him”

that made me lol lmao, insane overanalysis.

 

He is first of all dumb af knowing that these days almost everything someone says in a public event, no matter how underhand and regardless of language, might be caught by some device and put on social media in a few hours if not minutes, you gotta be super careful if anything, and it's not like it hasn't happened in other tennis matches before to not know any better.

 

I support every player speaking out against communists. So good on Musetti

 

Whatever you would like to call Musetti's outburst, I don't think racist is spot on. If you really are a racist, passionately looking down on people from some ethnic or cultural group, accusing the group of your contempt of too much coughing must be pretty far down on the list of racial slurs. Crybaby, as some have suggested, seems closer to the mark.

 

The biggest mistake Musetti made was apologizing. Anyone who is a public figure or works for a company with a large number of Chinese people should know that it is common sense not to apologize to the Chinese. I am living in a country without contracts(ignore my VPN). In China's 3,600-year-old culture filled with hierarchy, there is only read people carefully and pick on the weak and fear the strong. Until he apologizes, people will at least wonder if he made a serious mistake or if they will be censored by the government for criticizing a foreigner (they know that the Chinese government treats foreigners far better than its own nationals). But since his apology, a bunch of cowards who usually work 60 hours a week without overtime pay and eat cooking oil that is almost always transported in diesel tankers, but who never dare to complain about the government, have suddenly become incredibly warrior at this point, and have started to go on a rampage of insults and even curses against him. I need to emphasize that the Chinese's frenzied abuse of him started with his apology and not with his cursing on the court. John Cena is another vivid example, before his apology most Chinese watched his video and generally found it hilarious and criticized him very little. But since his apology, Chinese attitudes towards him have taken a U-turn, almost everyone I know is cursing him, his image has gone down the drain and can never be recovered. This is the same reason why the Chinese are so fond of making people apologize, because once you apologize, your status in the hierarchy goes down the tubes and is irreversible. So as a Chinese, I would advise you not to apologize to any Chinese as much as possible, because China is a hierarchical society with 0 contracts and trusts, and apologizing is much more serious than making mistakes. Everyone should learn from Paula Badosa, she indeed did racial discrimination behaviour to Chinese people in last year but she never apologized, now every Chinese people forget this(I don't agree Badosa's discrimination, I am agree with her subsequent approach)

 

this is interesting. but if he hadn’t apologised, it would have looked terrible in “the West”. Indeed it was Italians who posted those clips and made the thing viral. We are pretty mad.

 

The only time the computer said YES, the old man was caughing. Caughing out of joy.

Let them caugh.

 

The only time the computer said YES, the old man was caughing. Caughing out of joy.

Let them caugh.

cough

 

China is one of those countries that get butthurt whenever someone insults them but are just as happy to dish it out.....

Get over it

 

Cough, sorry. I am not a native speaker.

 

Well Italians have a knack for being ignorant on both sides of the pond.

 

That's (negative) generalization against an ethnic group, therefore it's racist towards italians.

I demand an apology on behalf of all the italians on here and out there in the world!

There must be something dark in you to type this...

 

 

I think this kind of exemplarily shows the issue with discussions about racism nowadays.
Unfortunately, people with different skin color still face a lot of everyday racism, and we should all work together to stop this.
That said, everyone, including people who are really considerate regarding this issue, can make inappropriate statements occasionally, and even more so under pressure in the heat of a tense tennis match. Musetti said something inappropriate, he apologized for it, that's ok in my view. No need to call him a racist for that (and that does similarly apply to other people). It is good to make people aware if they say things that can hurt other people, it is not useful or appropriate to consider them as bad people or racists for this.
It is far more important to fight racism where it is really structural, and has thorough consequences for peoples lives. Such as (obviously) in the current US administration.

 

His actions have consequences. Musetti made his bed, now he has to lie in it. Dude messed up, and now he's gotta put on his big boy pants and face the music, literally haha. He needs to just eat the boos and extra coughs coming his way in the coming matches—man up and take the provocations from the crowd. He has no choice. He can't fake an injury and retire like Taylor Townsend, because he desperately needs ATP points to secure the YEC. Maybe if he actually tried to win instead of flaming out in the quarters or semis, the crowd might chill out by the time he's in the final, at that stage he might get some sympathy. Until then he needs to quit being a soy boy buttercup and suck it up.

 

For some, it seems that an apology is never enough. What do they want? 🤷‍♂️
Banned from China forever? A free ticket for everyone there, to the Italian winter Olympics?

 

Imagine someone saying "those damn blacks", would people think it's no big deal? At least people should be fair.

 

or even Italians, imagine Musetti playing the Internazionali BNL and saying, “those damn Italians, they always make so much noise” and proceeding to mock the noise. He wouldn’t do that, because he clearly tolerates Italians. So yeah it’s totally racist and also dumb.
I haven’t “cancelled” him and I’ll always try to watch his matches but what I think of him as a person is worse now than it used to be.