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Everyone seems to have been saying he's one of the fittest players on tour. IMO his fitness is dodgy at best. After winning that 88 minute third set he was dead tired and was blatantly tanking in the 4th, especially the last service game where he just stood there, not doing anything. All the Australian commentators seemed to think that if the match is super long, physical and goes to 5, Murray will win and the opposite happened. Murray looked dead out there, while Djokovic seemed to gain second wind. He was also probably the freshest player in the tournament benefitting from Kukushkin retirement and Nishikori being tired after his marathon with Tsonga.

I remember the same thing in USO 2011, where Murray had semi-tough QF against Isner and looked absolutely dead against Nadal the next day.

If Murray isn't fit enough to play a long 5 setter after hardly being challenged all tournament, how can he win a slam, when he'll most surely have to play back to back physical matches against Nadal and Djokovic on the way to a slam?
 
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That dead tired look he gives is more a sign of poor mental attitude which comes across as low energy/fatigue.
 

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Well he's definitely a fit guy, one of the most fit on tour. You have to be extremely fit now to compete with the top players. But I agree that his fitness has been overrated from what i've been seeing. He really is not on the level of Nadal or Djokovic in this area....and I won't change my mind on that until he BEATS one of them when they're healthy in a long, physical battle.
 

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That dead tired look he gives is more a sign of poor mental attitude which comes across as low energy/fatigue.
Agree with this. His facial expressions make him look more tired than he is.

Even if he went away for the fourth set, Murray was moving fine during the latter part of the fifth. I don't think his fitness is questionable at all.
 

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Agree with this. His facial expressions make him look more tired than he is.

Even if he went away for the fourth set, Murray was moving fine during the latter part of the fifth. I don't think his fitness is questionable at all.
Why did he tank the 4th set then after just one break? He was set and a break down and fought like crazy. After third set he was looking flat, stopped chasing balls and even stopped celebrating after he hit a good shot.
 

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Everyone seems to have been saying he's one of the fittest players on tour.He was also probably the freshest player in the tournament benefitting from Kukushkin retirement and Nishikori being tired after his marathon with Tsonga.

If Murray isn't fit enough to play a long 5 setter after hardly being challenged all tournament, how can he win a slam, when he'll most surely have to play back to back physical matches against Nadal and Djokovic on the way to a slam?
Excellent thoughts.
 

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Good thread.

His fitness remains in question. I mean if you practically have a Kukushkin retirement, then a match against Kei that didn't last long, how can you be exhausted already against Djokovic? The blatant tanking in the 4th set exposes his his fitness and unfortunately it's not as good as we thought it would be.
 

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Everyone seems to have been saying he's one of the fittest players on tour. IMO his fitness is dodgy at best. After winning that 88 minute third set he was dead tired and was blatantly tanking in the 4th, especially the last service game where he just stood there, not doing anything. All the Australian commentators seemed to think that if the match is super long, physical and goes to 5, Murray will win and the opposite happened. Murray looked dead out there, while Djokovic seemed to gain second wind. He was also probably the freshest player in the tournament benefitting from Kukushkin retirement and Nishikori being tired after his marathon with Tsonga.

I remember the same thing in USO 2011, where Murray had semi-tough QF against Isner and looked absolutely dead against Nadal the next day.

If Murray isn't fit enough to play a long 5 setter after hardly being challenged all tournament, how can he win a slam, when he'll most surely have to play back to back physical matches against Nadal and Djokovic on the way to a slam?
i think you have a valid point.

he held on but he was fatigued. he was even drinking his fluids in between points right on the court. he tanked the 4th set when he should have pushed nole more to make sure that it was nole who would be tired in the 5th.

that said, he still has 2 major problems:

1. pushing

2. testicular fortitude

lendl can probably fix the pushing but where is going to go and buy him balls?
 

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Andy should ask Nole where he gets his white candy.
 

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Good thread.

His fitness remains in question. I mean if you practically have a Kukushkin retirement, then a match against Kei that didn't last long, how can you be exhausted already against Djokovic? The blatant tanking in the 4th set exposes his his fitness and unfortunately it's not as good as we thought it would be.
He went down two breaks because of a huge adrenaline dump. He tanked from there for obvious reasons. No matter how fit he is, he clearly wanted to make sure he had plenty left for a long 5th set.
 

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mental part is what is really holding him back. i dont know how you fix that.

these losses at slams seem to have no end. he had a guy yesterday who would have around 65 errors and who also lost serve at elast 7 times.

he countered that with no less than 86 unforced errors of his own. and he lost his serve 11 times.

i know everybody has their own vantage point but clearly murray got close to a win yesterday and he crumbled.
 

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Murray is much fitter now than he was when he first got on the ATP Tour. Any one that saw him play back then would agree with that. Could he still get more fit? Probably because I think a lot of players could work more on fitness. But with Andy his main problem is between his ears which sadly is much harder to "fix" than fitness :sad:
 

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Wouldn't mind knowing what Fakervic was eating, to give him such an edge. The ATP couldn't give a scheisse, obviously.
 

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He did look a little tired in the 4th but I don't think fatigue lost him the 4th set. Djokovic was just swinging like there is no tomorrow. On another day those shot might have gone out and Murray would have won. It happens. He learnt a lot today for sure. Encouraging signs for the rest of the year.
 

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Both Djokovic and Murray hit the wall physically at different points in the match, and both recovered. It's perfectly normally to have energy peaks and troughs in the course of 5 hours.

It was a shame for Andy that his occurred end of the third/start of the fourth and his level slumped more dramatically than Nole's. That's what he needs to work on.
 

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He went down two breaks because of a huge adrenaline dump. He tanked from there for obvious reasons. No matter how fit he is, he clearly wanted to make sure he had plenty left for a long 5th set.
But at his age (24), he shouldn't have to do that. He should fight it out and be comfortable in 5 sets. The guy is pretty damn young. Look at Federer in his age. Or look at Nadal who had a 5 hour match against Verdasco. Not to mention on route to this match his body had plenty of rest from the previous two opponents.

This is just a bit uncharacteristic from Murray. I guess his 5 set performances are sturdy against weaker players like Gasquet, but not so much against the top tier guys.
 

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Fitness or no fitness, this guy ain't baggin' a Slam.
 
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