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Both have one USO as far as I know, beating one of the goats Sampras and Djokovic. Who would prevail if they meet?

In my opinion Safin was not really consistent, not even in his prime years, so from lets say 10 matches I believe Murray would come out stronger 7 times atleast. Safin doesnt have the firepower and consistency to break through Murray in a best of 5.
 

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Safin in his US Open 2000 crushes Murray. Anything else will be a 3/4 set win for Murray since he will be exploited for his inconsistency.
 

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Safin would beat most players ever if he was at his peak, so naturally this one's down to him.
 

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Peak Safin on HC is almost unplayable, as shown by the fact he's the only player who beat peak Federer in a non-RG Slam.

So USO 2000 Safin > USO 2012 Murray, but if they meet like 8 years in a row, Murray would have the advantage due to his superior consistency.
 

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The fact that you people clinch on one performance is absolutely ridiculous. What are the odds Safin will repeat that performance against Murray? We should take consistency as a factor to determain who would prevail.
Like I said Murray would beat Safin atleast 7 out of 10 times.
 

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Of course Murray is more consistent, but peak vs. peak, Safin beats any version of Murray
 

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Of course peak Safin would be very hard to beat, but if it's not a given that he is playing at his best then Murray would be the better choice to bet on.
 

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Of course peak Safin would be very hard to beat, but if it's not a given that he is playing at his best then Murray would be the better choice to bet on.
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Both have one USO as far as I know, beating one of the goats Sampras and Djokovic. Who would prevail if they meet?

In my opinion Safin was not really consistent, not even in his prime years, so from lets say 10 matches I believe Murray would come out stronger 7 times atleast. Safin doesnt have the firepower and consistency to break through Murray in a best of 5.
So he destroyed Sampras, beat Federer, but he wouldn't be able to beat Murray?

Safin is a better player at his best than Murray, although the latter is obviously more consistent. But it's not like Safin would need to come out all guns blazing to beat him, that would make him more erratic and prone to errors. Murray is not Sampras/Federer. If he struggled a lot against Berdych that is essentially a poor man's Safin, what would make people think that he would beat Safin more often than not?

And saying his peak was one match is ridiculous.
 

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Nothing more than some deluded fantasy.

Peak should be about what a player does over the course of a year. You know, like what Djokovic did in 2011. That's peak. Lots of players can play great in short bursts. What's peak to you? One match? If playing the match of your life = peak then many players can look great.

Murray would win many more times than not against Safin. Anything else is just fantasy.
When Safin could stay healthy for a big period of time, he could play at a very high level for months, not just one match. That's some bullshit people that started watching tennis in 2008 say. He did reach #1, you know :rolleyes: For a big part of 2000 he played amazing, same he did in late 2004, sweeping the indoor season and then wining Australia beating Federer in 2005. But then he got injured again and was done for good.
 

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Murray is the correct choice here, obviously.

Safin is overrated.
 

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Some people in here :facepalm:

Zero respect for the legend Marat. Where is Burrow. He will shit on this thread

Safins peak is mostly referred to one match. :rolleyes:
Several months and years in there he was exceptionally good, top 5 level and better. When he was healthy he was always minimum top 10 even with all mental issues.

Nothing more than some deluded fantasy.

Peak should be about what a player does over the course of a year. You know, like what Djokovic did in 2011. That's peak. Lots of players can play great in short bursts. What's peak to you? One match? If playing the match of your life = peak then many players can look great.

Murray would win many more times than not against Safin. Anything else is just fantasy.
Murray himself has many odd losses through the year, losing with the likes of Bogomolov or Lu or Donald Young or whoever. He is more consistent than Safin over the course of the year yeah maybe

Some people in here must not have seen Safin playing in his best level against the greatest of all time, Sampras, Federer, late in grand slams. Ok, Sampras was maybe 1 year past it, but he still had just won Wimbledon 2 month before. And Fed was in his peak when Marat beat him. Who did Murray win? Generous Djokovic twice?

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The fact that Murray has to rely on Marat not being at his best level to win tells you all you need to know
 

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Safin's peak is like two levels above Murray. In fact Safin's peak is comparable with that from all-time greats like Federer, Sampras, Djokovic, Nadal.
Shamely he had a lot of injury problems and also didn't have the discipline and "fire" to go for more glory.

If safin and Murray would meet 10 times over a long period, than Murray probably would win 6 of 10. But Safin would win most of the big one.
 

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People on here always over-estimate the peak play of streaky players compared to the consistently good ones.

Consistent players like Murray commonly get to the semi-finals or even finals of slams when not playing at their own peak, so people compare streaky players' absolute peak against consistent players' when they just aren't playing terribly. Come to think of it, the really good players sometimes win slams when not playing their best. Mind you, Murray has made it to semi-finals whilst player terribly by his own standards, just to confuse things.

If you compare the level of the top 3 matches of a Safin-type in God-mode against the top 50 matches of a Murray-type, in finding-a-way-though mode, of course the player in God-mode will seem more impressive.
 

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People talking about Safin like he was super inconsistent. Guy was ranked nr. 1 for crying out loud, and always near the top of the rankings when healthy. You can't achieve that without some consistency.


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