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Kevins mental strenght helped him gain 1st set, saving break points.. comming back from a 1-3 scoreline in the tiebreaker winning 8-6.. great

Kevin starts the 2nd, works his way to another tiebreak.. Novak starts playing better, 0-4 is the scoreline..
He knew if he lost the 2nd he could kiss the win goodbye.. he stayed strong and won it.. 8-6!

Now, what Kev did not expect is Novaks sudden gear change.. as many players would just simply give up or fight their way to a Tiebreak, Novak decides to make it 6-1..

The 4th set was a standard procedure.

Now something had to give, because he was painting the lines on 2nd serves aswell.. his luck changed.. he almost broke Novak in the 5th, but nothing he can do when the master of saving BP/MP is ON..

(Fedtards see 2010-2011 US Open)

On the last game, sure he did 2DF.. but he knew the risk.. and he had to risk it!

Kevins mental strenght gave him the 2 set lead, Novaks champion spirit gave him the comeback..

Why does MTF keep insisting on chokes?

Someone had to win in the last set, someone had to make Double faults and bad errors...

Kevin should be proud, and go home knowing he was mentally strong.. and with this confidence he can go on and be a better player.
 

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Definition of choke: Losing a match when having a significant advantage, both mentally and score-wise, not being able to score decisively in the key moment.

MTF definition of choke: Losing a match.
 

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Kevin Anderson was forced to go for more. Anderson took the risk and failed, but he succeeded plenty of times, so I dont understand the fuzz. Djokovic gained momentum, going on full offence, there is little Anderson could with 2nd serve, so he went for more. Its simple as that. You cant expect to paint those lines 24/7. :shrug:
Please give credit where its due.
 

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MTF definition of choke: Losing a match.
More like your fav losing a match or a opponent whom you hate wins. :shrug:

For more accurate info: Contact emotion. Nobody can be more emotionally attached and use the word rightfully than him.
 

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MTF definition is loss in a relatively close match.
 

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Performing worse at critical moments.

Anderson does this all the time, it's not exactly undeserved. The double-fault on a key point is basically his trademark.
 

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Kevin Anderson was forced to go for more. Anderson took the risk and failed, but he succeeded plenty of times, so I dont understand the fuzz. Djokovic gained momentum, going on full offence, there is little Anderson could with 2nd serve, so he went for more. Its simple as that. You cant expect to paint those lines 24/7. :shrug:
Please give credit where its due.
No way. He was knocking off good clean second serves well in the box and it wasn't even a BP.
And he wasn't too bad on rallies either. One DF is ok, nice try. Two in a row is choking.
 

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Choke = tightening up so you are not able to perform at your highest level anymore.

Certainly happened in the last 2 games were he hit 2 doubles and then made 2 errors on 2. serve returns.

Idk what happened in the 3. set, that might have been just a loss of intensity.

Anyway Anderson played a great match overall, but the last few games are usually the ones the you remember the most...
 

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It was a critical game at 5:5 and instead of hitting one or two of his other 40-something aces, he hit two double faults in a row. That certainly could be called a choke
 

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Choke = tightening up so you are not able to perform at your highest level anymore.
This is a bit of an inaccurate definition. When you choke, it's not that you cannot perform at your highest level, but you are extremely far from it as well. It's similar to a real life "choke": when you cannot breathe anymore, your brain basically blocks from doing anything right, your concentration level drops by a large margin, because of the lack of oxygen.

With your definition, you're confusing any drop of level with choke.
 

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Kevins mental strenght helped him gain 1st set, saving break points.. comming back from a 1-3 scoreline in the tiebreaker winning 8-6.. great

Kevin starts the 2nd, works his way to another tiebreak.. Novak starts playing better, 0-4 is the scoreline..
He knew if he lost the 2nd he could kiss the win goodbye.. he stayed strong and won it.. 8-6!

Now, what Kev did not expect is Novaks sudden gear change.. as many players would just simply give up or fight their way to a Tiebreak, Novak decides to make it 6-1..

The 4th set was a standard procedure.

Now something had to give, because he was painting the lines on 2nd serves aswell.. his luck changed.. he almost broke Novak in the 5th, but nothing he can do when the master of saving BP/MP is ON..

(Fedtards see 2010-2011 US Open)

On the last game, sure he did 2DF.. but he knew the risk.. and he had to risk it!

Kevins mental strenght gave him the 2 set lead, Novaks champion spirit gave him the comeback..

Why does MTF keep insisting on chokes?

Someone had to win in the last set, someone had to make Double faults and bad errors...

Kevin should be proud, and go home knowing he was mentally strong.. and with this confidence he can go on and be a better player.
Exactly. Anderson knew he needs to be aggressive on his second serves or he would lose the points. He too a calculated risk and lost. That was no choke but forced risk due to No1e being too good in every other aspect of the game and getting into the full force at that right moment.
Everyone who watched the match and the way Nole won the previous game (to ever at 5-5) and returned the second and the last serve in that game knows the truth. Here it is:

 

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Exactly. Anderson knew he needs to be aggresive on his second server or he would lose the points. He too a calculated rist and lost. That was no choke but forced risk due to No1e being too good in every other aspect of the game and gerring into the full force at that right moment.
Everyone who watched the match and the way Nole won the previous game (to ever at 5-5) and returned the second and the last serve in that game knows the truth. Here it is:

Djokovic backhand was on fire the last couple of games. I'm sure Anderson felt the pressure.
 

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This is a bit of an inaccurate definition. When you choke, it's not that you cannot perform at your highest level, but you are extremely far from it as well. It's similar to a real life "choke": when you cannot breathe anymore, your brain basically blocks from doing anything right, your concentration level drops by a large margin, because of the lack of oxygen.

With your definition, you're confusing any drop of level with choke.
:bowdown: you are such quality poster, please stay as moderator forever! :yeah:
 

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Definition of choke: Losing a match when having a significant advantage, both mentally and score-wise, not being able to score decisively in the key moment.

MTF definition of choke: Losing a match.
This +1 x infinity.
 

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I think being the better player in a set, having numerous break opportunities that you fail to convert, and then gifting a break to your opponent with two double faults after barely double faulting for the whole match, counts as a choke.
 
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This is a bit of an inaccurate definition. When you choke, it's not that you cannot perform at your highest level, but you are extremely far from it as well. It's similar to a real life "choke": when you cannot breathe anymore, your brain basically blocks from doing anything right, your concentration level drops by a large margin, because of the lack of oxygen.

With your definition, you're confusing any drop of level with choke.
True. What I wanted to emphasise is that choke = tightening up and it can potentially happen at every stage of the match and is not directly related to the score.

Obv. it happens most of the time in crucial moments, so when the level of a player drops significantly in those situations one would assume he is "choking".
 

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True. What I wanted to emphasise is that choke = tightening up and it can potentially happen at every stage of the match and is not directly related to the score.

Obv. it happens most of the time in crucial moments, so when the level of a player drops in those situations one would assume he is "choking".
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It's usually what happens when I try to eat a carrot, because some wise guy says it's healthy and tasty.

The word is bandied around way too often, it's true. Losing from two sets up isn't always a choke for one thing. It can be, for example if you did what Coria did on that fateful day.. But making errors on crucial points isn't always a form of choking.

Kev's dfs today can be contributed in part to Djokovic's return game, which forced him to drop the hammer on most 2nd serves throughout the match- not necessarily a choke. He just ended up living and dying by the sword.
 
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