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The failure of the younger gen to step up into the void is telling. Todays final required someone with younger, fresh legs off the baseline to compete with djoker on a faster surface. just like Djoker beatdown Fed in 2008, his first slam victory in straights.The current modern game is all based on baseline and return.

current new gen has no real talent at all. This will enable Fedmurraydjokerstan to vulture well into their mid 30s

never seen such a generation useless, every ATP generation has had some good players. But not these guys.

Below is the list of younger players. Kyrgios is the most talented by a fair distance, having wins over Federer, Nadal and now Raonic. But he is a total nutcase/headcase which doesnt bode well for future victories. The fact he lost to gasquet(who doesnt have a serve) shows he is not match or mentally ready at all.

He's the only hope on this list.


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CRO

Borna Coric
18 1,080 26 0 0
74
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GER

Alexander Zverev
18 689 29 125 0
71
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AUS

Thanasi Kokkinakis
19 723 25 0 0
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KOR

Hyeon Chung
19 671 21 33 0
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Nick Kyrgios
20 1,245 16 360 0
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AUT

Dominic Thiem
21 1,235 29 10 10
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FRA

Lucas Pouille
21 539 22 6 6
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BEL

Kimmer Coppejans
21 534 27 20 0
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AUS

Bernard Tomic
22 1,355 28 45 45
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USA

Jack Sock
22 1,215 19 135 0
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CZE

Jiri Vesely
22 990 30 90 10
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ARG

Diego Schwartzman
22 760 30 25 10
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James Duckworth
23 594 27 35 8
88
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BIH

Damir Dzumhur
23 593 29 90 14
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CAN

Milos Raonic
24 4,440 23 720 90
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BUL

Grigor Dimitrov
24 2,600 21 720 45
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BEL

David Goffin
24 2,010 27 100 105
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Jerzy Janowicz
24 975 25 90 20
 

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Perhaps the 30 years old Fattinka is the only real decent "newcomer" at the moment :facepalm:
 

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Is this a joke... Djokovic was 22-23 when he did what you said. Some of these - you have put there - have been professionals for 12 months.

Any chance you could, you know, give them another 12 months to get use to scheduling, playing, and being in the top 100.
 

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Is this a joke... Djokovic was 22-23 when he did what you said. Some of these - you have put there - have been professionals for 12 months.

Any chance you could, you know, give them another 12 months to get use to scheduling, playing, and being in the top 100.
djoker/murray
were contending from 2007 onwards

around 20 years of age.

rafa won first slam at 19.
 

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too funny
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he was utterly fat in the QF vs gasquet. his movement is terrible on grass
Djokovic's own movement isn't too hit on grass. He just so happens to be so fast that he can make the slow Center Court work for him. How many times did we find him picking himself off the turf and running back into a point? On real grass, you so much as hesitate, let alone slip, and you are toast.
 

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Is this a joke... Djokovic was 22-23 when he did what you said. Some of these - you have put there - have been professionals for 12 months.

Any chance you could, you know, give them another 12 months to get use to scheduling, playing, and being in the top 100.
Lol, give them 12 months and they will make a difference? Are you serious? Someone like Tsonga would school these kids all day long.
 

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Lol, give them 12 months and they will make a difference? Are you serious? Someone like Tsonga would school these kids all day long.
Think before you post :smash:

As he said, yes they will make a difference, because as he also hinted DJOKOVIC was like this.

12 months took Wawrinka from #17 to #3, so imagine what a younster like Kyrgios or Coric could do with a super coach, considering they are already improving at a faster rate than Wawrinka was in 2012 ;)
 

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Consider: the game is more competitive than it was 10-20 years ago and it is taking longer than it did before for players to break through. Example: Nishikori.

Or you could just continue to project your self-hatred on to the world of professional tennis.
 

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Regardless of talent, these players will rule their era, as they will peak when the current guard (a relatively old gen) retire
 

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Think before you post :smash:

As he said, yes they will make a difference, because as he also hinted DJOKOVIC was like this.

12 months took Wawrinka from #17 to #3, so imagine what a younster like Kyrgios or Coric could do with a super coach, considering they are already improving at a faster rate than Wawrinka was in 2012 ;)
Despite all your reasoning and stuff, do you seriously expect any of them to become remotely close to Wawrinka in 12 months? First of all, Wawrinka is a humble person, and he never gets ahead of himself. He just works hard, gets beaten, and gets up and challenges top guys. Kyrgios and Coric, yeah right, two arrogant brats full of themselves, they won't make it anywhere with that kind of attitude. Stay low key and work hard, that's how you succeed.
 

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Despite all your reasoning and stuff, do you seriously expect any of them to become remotely close to Wawrinka in 12 months? First of all, Wawrinka is a humble person, and he never gets ahead of himself. He just works hard, gets beaten, and gets up and challenges top guys. Kyrgios and Coric, yeah right, two arrogant brats full of themselves, they won't make it anywhere with that kind of attitude. Stay low key and work hard, that's how you succeed.
Since you want a good character, let's take Kokkinakis, ranked around 70. Wawrinka multiplied his ranking over 4 times, so Kokkinakis could similar achieve a ranking of 15-20 after Wimbledon next year. He will then be 20, so he has 2 years to win a slam and he will have won one younger than Djokovic ;)

And Kyrgios reached QF ranked 150 in the world, now at 40, no reason he can't GOAT a slam within 2 years. Coric has 4 years left, and please tell me why you think he is arrogant, and also why arrogance will stop him from being successful. Murray was a similar youngster.

I can assure you at least 1 player in OP will win a slam before turning 23 ;)
 

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Despite all your reasoning and stuff, do you seriously expect any of them to become remotely close to Wawrinka in 12 months? First of all, Wawrinka is a humble person, and he never gets ahead of himself. He just works hard, gets beaten, and gets up and challenges top guys. Kyrgios and Coric, yeah right, two arrogant brats full of themselves, they won't make it anywhere with that kind of attitude. Stay low key and work hard, that's how you succeed.
Being humble or not has nothing to do with tennis. It is irrelevant.

And, yeah 'youngsters' suck. It is what it is.
 

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So on the ranking after Djokovic's 19th birthday, he was ranked 63 in the World.

Kyrgios was ranked 46
Coric (currently ranked 37) turns 19 in November
Chung was ranked 70
Zverev (currently ranked 81, CH 74) turns 19 in April 2016 (9 months from now)
Kokkinakis was ranked 104

That's just 5.

So if Djokovic was 63 when he turned 19, and won his first slam when he was 20, and now has 9 Grandslams, there's no reason why any of these kids can't. In fact, the stats say they're actually ahead of where Djokovic was.
 

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djoker/murray
were contending from 2007 onwards

around 20 years of age.

rafa won first slam at 19.
This. Djokovic made a GS QF at 19 and 2 SF and a final at 20, Federer made b2b GS QF at 19, Nadal won RG at 19 and Murray made it to the 3 straight GS 4th rounds at 19 and then had a QF and final at 21. Players who are going to be GS champions (especially multiple grand slams) usually show that potential at a young age. What I will say though is that it is possible that that minimum age to start showing potential could be a couple years later now than where it was about a decade ago, but I doubt that.
 

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So on the ranking after Djokovic's 19th birthday, he was ranked 63 in the World.

Kyrgios was ranked 46
Coric (currently ranked 37) turns 19 in November
Chung was ranked 70
Zverev (currently ranked 81, CH 74) turns 19 in April 2016 (9 months from now)
Kokkinakis was ranked 104

That's just 5.

So if Djokovic was 63 when he turned 19, and won his first slam when he was 20, and now has 9 Grandslams, there's no reason why any of these kids can't. In fact, the stats say they're actually ahead of where Djokovic was.
I personally am not counting any of those guys out, but ranking isn't as indicative as results in grand slams. On that list the only one of those guys to at least make it to a GS 4R is Kyrgios (2 QFs). I need to see some GS success for those other guys before I am ready to consider them the next great thing.
 
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