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If nadal had lost that match his dominance at rg would have ended, he would have lost 4 straight slam final, he would have been crushed mentality losing to the same player in so many finals(especially on his beloved clay Rg) meanwhile his main rival would have won the non calendar grandslam and his confidence would be as high as can be.

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Well, I'm not sure. I do recall having read somewhere that Nadal said that RG 2012 was the toughest final for him mentally because of his previous three losses in a row to Djokovic in grand slams. It's just too bad that match was ruined by all of the constant rain delays.
 

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Nadal: "When you lose, it's because you don't deserve the title,". "So in my mind, this was the final I had to win. That's why I was so emotional"

Toni Nadal: "For us, it was very important to win here now against Djokovic, because we knew that if he won again, the fourth one, then (Rafa) completing a Grand Slam of losses would have been ugly, and we were very close to doing that."


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If nadal had lost that match his dominance at rg would have ended, he would have lost 4 straight slam final, he would have been crushed mentality losing to the same player in so many finals(especially on his beloved clay Rg) meanwhile his main rival would have won the non calendar grandslam and his confidence would be as high as can be.

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Let it go. Its been 2 years. Rafa has been out for 7 months, droped to 5th climb back up. Won Ssummer HC.
Beat Nole again in RG even playing his worst clay season ever.

Let it go. Focus on the future instead of wasting tears on the past.
 

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If nadal had lost that match his dominance at rg would have ended, he would have lost 4 straight slam final, he would have been crushed mentality losing to the same player in so many finals(especially on his beloved clay Rg) meanwhile his main rival would have won the non calendar grandslam and his confidence would be as high as can be.

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You are right.
It would have been very tough loss for Nadal.

But Nadal finds solutions whenever he is down.
Once he understands the opponents game, he is unstoppable.

Since 2007, Federer was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam.

Since 2012, Djokovic was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam. After that 2012 AO final, Nadal won all the grand slam meetings against djokovic.
 

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Let it go. Its been 2 years. Rafa has been out for 7 months, droped to 5th climb back up. Won Ssummer HC.
Beat Nole again in RG even playing his worst clay season ever.

Let it go. Focus on the future instead of wasting tears on the past.
:rolleyes: and your point is? You're just yapping on and on and haven't answered the question


You are right.
It would have been very tough loss for Nadal.

But Nadal finds solutions whenever he is down.
Once he understands the opponents game, he is unstoppable.

Since 2007, Federer was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam.

Since 2012, Djokovic was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam. After that 2012 AO final, Nadal won all the grand slam meetings against djokovic.
Interesting........
 

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Well there's many ways you could think of it if you're going to go into hypotheticals:

- Was 2005 FO final the most important, since if he had lost that he might never have had his dynasty at the French Open at all?

- Was 2006 FO final the most important - he had won the year before against a mug in the final but what if Federer rose up and beat him when he faced him in the final, rattling his confidence against Federer and at the elite level and letting Federer not just win the CYGS, but potentially two CYGS and 10 slams in a row?

- Was 2008 Wimbledon final the most important, allowing him to go on to claim world number 1 and become a major winner off clay and not a clay specialist?

- Was 2009 AO final the most important, crushing Federer's spirit of beating him at any slam, not just at the FO, and allowing him to capitalise on that to win more slams in the future?

If we delve into hypothetical "what ifs" of what happens if a result goes a different way, you could come up with many arguments to make a single result seem the most important. 2012 FO was certainly a very important final for both players and Nadal's victory was crucial for getting him back on track against Djokovic and in general. But I'd say that in general earlier finals are more important in shaping a player's career than one played after a player is a 10 time slam winner. We may not think of stuff like 2006 FO final as being crucial or pivotal victories now because they just seem like such natural and NID components of that player's career now, but that's the point - if not for those victories the foundation of careers, rivalries and even eras could be different.
 

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You are right.
It would have been very tough loss for Nadal.

But Nadal finds solutions whenever he is down.
Once he understands the opponents game, he is unstoppable.

Since 2007, Federer was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam.

Since 2012, Djokovic was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam. After that 2012 AO final, Nadal won all the grand slam meetings against djokovic.
Exactly you beat Nadal, then he learns your weaknesses and beats you good. That's what's made him a legend in the game.
 

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I would agree but this year's RG was as important as that one. Nadal lost the World Tour Finals, then started the season by losing to Wawrinka in AO final, lost to Dolgopolov in IW, lost to Djokovic in Miami and he even said (or Tio said it) how his confidence was bad. And what bigger evidence would one need than Nadal losing in two of his best tournaments (Barcelona and Monte Carlo) against fellow countrymen he used to own? Then he won Madrid by beating Nishikori in the final but we all know how and lost the Rome final against Djokovic

I never underestimate Nadal but Roland Garros this year was crucial for him and for his season definetly
 

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Well there's many ways you could think of it if you're going to go into hypotheticals:

- Was 2005 FO final the most important, since if he had lost that he might never have had his dynasty at the French Open at all?

- Was 2006 FO final the most important - he had won the year before against a mug in the final but what if Federer rose up and beat him when he faced him in the final, rattling his confidence against Federer and at the elite level and letting Federer not just win the CYGS, but potentially two CYGS and 10 slams in a row?

- Was 2008 Wimbledon final the most important, allowing him to go on to claim world number 1 and become a major winner off clay and not a clay specialist?

- Was 2009 AO final the most important, crushing Federer's spirit of beating him at any slam, not just at the FO, and allowing him to capitalise on that to win more slams in the future?

If we delve into hypothetical "what ifs" of what happens if a result goes a different way, you could come up with many arguments to make a single result seem the most important. 2012 FO was certainly a very important final for both players and Nadal's victory was crucial for getting him back on track against Djokovic and in general. But I'd say that in general earlier finals are more important in shaping a player's career than one played after a player is a 10 time slam winner. We may not think of stuff like 2006 FO final as being crucial or pivotal victories now because they just seem like such natural and NID components of that player's career now, but that's the point - if not for those victories the foundation of careers, rivalries and even eras could be different.
2008 was not only Nadals greatest moment. It was essential that he beat Federer then. Otherwise we would have never heard the end of it from Federer groupies.

Now the next 3 years are going to be something to observe.
 

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But still we don't know how many slams Nadal will win in his career from this point on, he might not even reach 17 (i don't believe it but it could be) and if that happens, RG 2014 won't be remembered as a tournament who put a mark over his career
 

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It's a shame the corrupt tournament officials only decided to suspend the match when Dull lost 8 games in a row.
 

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:rolleyes: and your point is? You're just yapping on and on and haven't answered the question




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We can talk all day and still nobody can say what would happen. This isnt a exact science.

Rafa lost RG09. Some probably said he was done. He would never be the same. You know what happen after.

Rafa looses to Nole on 7 finals. Alot said he was done he would never ebat Nole or win another slam. You know what happend after.


Rafa was sidelined for 7 months. People said he would never win anything again and never reach nº1. Proved them wrong.


So if Rafa lost to Nole in RG12 it could of been the end for Rafa. Maybe Nole gets back on track. But after 2011 Nole didnt have an injury he just didnt have the same gas like 2011.

I dont know whats the point. I could understand if you made a thread about Nole loosing Wimby14 to Federer.
 

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Definitely, Wimbledon 2008. It was crucial for his transformation into a contender at any slam. If it wasn't for it, maybe he'd have around the same number of RG, but probably wouldn't go on to win the rest of the stuff. In 2012 he had already cemented his place in history.

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You are right.
It would have been very tough loss for Nadal.

But Nadal finds solutions whenever he is down.
Once he understands the opponents game, he is unstoppable.

Since 2007, Federer was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam.

Since 2012, Djokovic was not able to win against Nadal in a grand slam. After that 2012 AO final, Nadal won all the grand slam meetings against djokovic.
Even then he should have won the AO final and said he was pleased with his performance. He knew then he'd got Djokovic figured out on his best surface.
 

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Well, I'm not sure. I do recall having read somewhere that Nadal said that RG 2012 was the toughest final for him mentally because of his previous three losses in a row to Djokovic in grand slams. It's just too bad that match was ruined by all of the constant rain delays.
honestly if it had been good weather Djokovic probably would have lost in 3. Nadal was soaring and then it got rainier, I mean they played like a set and a half in drizzle

and it's NADAL- no player in the Open Era lost 3 consecutive slam finals. he managed to brush if off his shoulder and flip the script at times. so I doubt one more loss would have killed his attitude. that guy is unbreakable
 

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It's a shame the corrupt tournament officials only decided to suspend the match when Dull lost 8 games in a row.
you are aware it rained for a like a set and a half (all of which where Djokovic started doing much better)

if Novak needs it to be wet non-traditional conditions to play well on clay how is that Nadal's fault? it is not regularly recommended to play even that long in drizzle, Djokovic was fortunate for the rain being played in that long not the other way around
 

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