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Its delusional to say that the entire middle class have jobs let alone good paying ones. Most of the middle class are stuck in low income jobs with no benefits or in gig work like Uber.
Utter bullshit, supported by zero evidence. You don’t have a whit of understanding of what you are talking about and can’t be bothered to look for any sources to substantiate you wild claims. We’re done here. Have a great day.
 

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How does someone who lives in an infamous shithole say anything about the USA ??? You live in a country where women are ****d with impunity, girls are married off at 8, and hundreds of millions don’t have a thing to eat. In the USA , the middle class lives quite well. It’s a bit of a struggle now with high fuel prices and inflation but we’ll dump the current asshole in 3 yrs.
Hilarious meltdown from usabot :rolls:
India still much more important country and culture to humanity than Consumeristic Third Reich which is USA
 

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Utter bullshit, supported by zero evidence. You don’t have a whit of understanding of what you are talking about and can’t be bothered to look for any sources to substantiate you wild claims. We’re done here. Have a great day.
Ask any middle class person in America below 50 and they all want to move to socialist havens. The only exceptions to this are government workers and successful business owners for obvious reasons. I'm not going to post facts because it's all over the internet. You can look it up for yourself, I'm not gonna do the research for you.

America sucks for the worker. Its been bad since Reagan. Ask anyone. Seriously I'm not trying to offend you, I'm just talking facts. I'm sorry my opinion on America offends you but I assure you its not coming from a place of resentment or envy, whether you believe that is upto you but I'd like you to believe me.
 

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How does someone who lives in an infamous shithole say anything about the USA ??? You live in a country where women are ****d with impunity, girls are married off at 8, and hundreds of millions don’t have a thing to eat. In the USA , the middle class lives quite well. It’s a bit of a struggle now with high fuel prices and inflation but we’ll dump the current asshole in 3 yrs.
Women aren't ****d with impunity in India. I don't know where you got this from. The perps are prosecuted, the intent to prosecute is the same as any other country, the capacity to prosecute maynot be the same as the US. In that infamous Nirbhaya case, all 5 accussed were sentenced to death. Not a whisper about the justice meted out to the perps from these western feminists who love to take a dump on India.

As for poverty, ever been to Detroit? That's as much of a shithole than any other city in India. You can't go out after sunset in Detroit because you'll get shot and you can get a house for 1000 dollars or less in some areas. Will you like it if I said the entire US is like Detroit? Didn't think so. Infact the entire rust belt is a giant fucking shithole.

But I'm not even going to bother explaining to you, I just wanted to use your post as an example to people who think the whole of India is a shithole when there is a thriving middle class in a rapidly developing economy. Our country was plundered and looted by the Brits unlike yours so tone down your prejudice a little bit and direct your outrage to the British thieves. We're not there yet but we're getting there.
 

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Really? We can. Even for foreigners. I know we have the best healthcare system.
Health insurance without a job in America? Yea it exists but It's unaffordable, I was on it for a few months when my contract ended. What you gonna spend on food and shelter or health insurance?
 

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Hilarious meltdown from usabot :rolls:
India still much more important country and culture to humanity than Consumeristic Third Reich which is USA
Our rich culture aside, he's spitting on a country that was ****d and pillaged for over a 100 years by the Brits. He's completely unsympathetic to that fact. You can't just snap your fingers and wake up in the morning and expect it to be like the US after a century of imperialist's rule. LOL I wish it worked like that but Rome wasn't built in a day.

People like Glencar OD on movies like Slumdog and think that's the entire country. It would be like me watching an episode of Cribs and thinking the entire US is like that. I actually did buy some of it so I was shocked when I saw the amount of homeless in the US.

Poverty hits you harder when you see it in the open in a rich country like the US. And it's getting worse by the day, people are leaving places like San Francisco because the middle classes cannot afford it. The gentrification of the best US cities is a stark reality and an indictment of US economic policy.
 

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Just to be clear, I was comparing the US to other developed nations with socialist economies. Ofcourse the US is more developed/advanced than India, I made no such claims to the contrary.

If you can get over the language barrier and the xenophobia that exists in Europe then its much better for the working class than the US. Seriously it's not close lol
 

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Having a job that pays you enough to provide for your family and not ever losing it so you can maintain it, have a decent 2 bedroom house, paying for a car and worse car insurance, getting a wife, taking care of kids, not falling too ill to prevent skyrocketing medical bills. It's too much man. I didn't signup for this shit. There should be a check out option. I'm fed up of life and now that Fed is basically retired, there's nothing to look forward to.

When one area of my life improves slightly, the other area worsens. When my work life improves my personal life sucks and vice versa. It's like juggling balls on a treadmill. I don't know how people do it but I cant.
Be a C*** and fight harder, grow some balls. Look at your skills and see where you can make more money. Staying stagnant will do nothing. Feel for you mate.
 

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Be a C*** and fight harder, grow some balls. Look at your skills and see where you can make more money. Staying stagnant will do nothing. Feel for you mate.
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Median US income is higher than anywhere in Europe apart from Switzerland or Luxembourg. So, you’re wrong.
You are correct, that is true. If you are employed by the US Government, or a city or state government your income goes up not only through promotion but also annual cost of living increases. I agree with you 100 percent. The middle class, and upper middle class, has not been wiped out. Most of us have been moved from offices to their homes, and many will not return. Again, more disposable income for US employees.
 

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Ask any middle class person in America below 50 and they all want to move to socialist havens. The only exceptions to this are government workers and successful business owners for obvious reasons. I'm not going to post facts because it's all over the internet. You can look it up for yourself, I'm not gonna do the research for you.

America sucks for the worker. Its been bad since Reagan. Ask anyone. Seriously I'm not trying to offend you, I'm just talking facts. I'm sorry my opinion on America offends you but I assure you its not coming from a place of resentment or envy, whether you believe that is upto you but I'd like you to believe me.
Well you pointed it out, and verified my claim, as a Federal (or government employee) my salary has stayed ahead of the curve, it continues to climb, and my salary is public information. The only thing that is private is what grade and step I am, but once that is determined (you merely need to look at my job title and can research the pay-scale) you can figure out the pay-band I am in. There are 2.3 MILLION federal employees and I assure you that our average income surpasses most of Western Europe. City and state employees also reap these benefits.

America does NOT suck for every worker. I am living proof of that, with 26 vacation days a year, and 104 hours of sick leave which roll over, PLUS paid holidays, I can tell you my MBA went along way and I have had the same employer since graduating from grad school. There are many, many like myself.
 

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Well you pointed it out, and verified my claim, as a Federal (or government employee) my salary has stayed ahead of the curve, it continues to climb, and my salary is public information. The only thing that is private is what grade and step I am, but once that is determined (you merely need to look at my job title and can research the pay-scale) you can figure out the pay-band I am in. There are 2.3 MILLION federal employees and I assure you that our average income surpasses most of Western Europe. City and state employees also reap these benefits.

America does NOT suck for every worker. I am living proof of that, with 26 vacation days a year, and 104 hours of sick leave which roll over, PLUS paid holidays, I can tell you my MBA went along way and I have had the same employer since graduating from grad school. There are many, many like myself.
Thank you for your post. I'm pretty sure I excluded government workers and successful business owners and even if I didn't, it was understood. It's obvious government workers aren't affected at all as they have job security. But this isn't special to US, all countries government workers have a good life. A small minority have the good fortune of working for the government so they don't account for the majority usecase.

I'm talking about the 80% middle class worker in the private sector whose lives have been torn apart by Ronald Reagan's economic policies that are still in use to this day.
 

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Thank you for your post. I'm pretty sure I excluded government workers and successful business owners. It's obvious government workers aren't affected at all as they have job security. But this isn't special to US, all countries government workers have a good life.
Fair enough, I understand everyone's situation is different, but it is not as bleak a situation in the US as many people think. We have thousands of openings in my state of Florida, constant job fairs for employers looking for people to work. So there are opportunities, and though an argument could be made that these positions being offered do not pay as well as others, there are ways for an individual to gain employment and then try to progress.
 

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Fair enough, I understand everyone's situation is different, but it is not as bleak a situation in the US as many people think. We have thousands of openings in my state of Florida, constant job fairs for employers looking for people to work. So there are opportunities, and though an argument could be made that these positions being offered do not pay as well as others, there are ways for an individual to gain employment and then try to progress.
I understand but when you have a mortgage, kids then you can't survive on minimum wage jobs or even private jobs that have no job security even though they pay well. You feel you're under constant threat of getting laid off for whatever reason and you can't just change jobs quickly and easily for higher experience. In the 60 and 70s you could work in a single private company your entire life and basically retire from there. That no longer happens today. And that's because of Regan's economic policies that have hollowed out the American middle class.
 

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I understand but when you have a mortgage, kids then you can't survive on minimum wage jobs or even private jobs that have no job security even though they pay well. You feel you're under constant threat of getting laid off for whatever reason and you can't just change jobs quickly and easily for higher experience. In the 60 and 70s you could work in a single private company your entire life and basically retire from there. That no longer happens today. And that's because of Regan's economic policies that have hollowed out the American middle class.
Well I understand you are saying. However, I don't think individuals who have minimum wage jobs or slightly above the minimum should be getting bank loans for mortgages. But that is an entirely different thread, or subject, so I won't go on about that. I don't think the middle class has been "hollowed out", but if you look back at the 60s or 70s most households had a one income situation. In today's world, both the husband and wife have to work. Two incomes are needed, and child care becomes an issue. I do feel bad for people who have to work and then pay other people to watch their children. However that is a reality of our times, but I do think if people watch their finances, live within their means, and have both spouses working they can make it.
 

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Well I understand you are saying. However, I don't think individuals who have minimum wage jobs or slightly above the minimum should be getting bank loans for mortgages. But that is an entirely different thread, or subject, so I won't go on about that. I don't think the middle class has been "hollowed out", but if you look back at the 60s or 70s most households had a one income situation. In today's world, both the husband and wife have to work. Two incomes are needed, and child care becomes an issue. I do feel bad for people who have to work and then pay other people to watch their children. However that is a reality of our times, but I do think if people watch their finances, live within their means, and have both spouses working they can make it.
I understand and I dont mean to sound dismissive but this happens mostly in America where workers have to work overtime and both the husband and the wife have to work. In socialist countries like Netherlands, Denmark etc this isn't so much the case. They dont go bankrupt becuase of healthcare which is free in those countries unlike the US and that's just one example.
The fertility rate has drastically dropped in the US because of these economic challenges. People just dont want to have kids anymore as they cannot handle the financial burden because of bad jobs(low wages or low security).
 

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I understand and I dont mean to sound dismissive but this happens mostly in America where workers have to work overtime and both the husband and the wife have to work. In socialist countries like Netherlands, Denmark etc this isn't so much the case. They dont go bankrupt becuase of healthcare which is free in those countries unlike the US and that's just one example.
The fertility rate has drastically dropped in the US because of these economic challenges. People just dont want to have kids anymore as they cannot handle the financial burden because of bad jobs(low wages or low security).
life in Nl is much better then in US
nobody want to life in US 😇
 
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