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Alex Rublev (2014)
Alexander Zverev (2013)
Borna Coric (2013)
Nikola Milojevic (2013)
Nick Kyrgios (2013)
Gianluigi Quinzi (2013)
Kimmer Coppejans (2012)
Filip Peliwo (2012)
Luke Saville (2012)
Jiri Vesely (2011)
Tiago Fernandes (2010)
Marton Fucsovics (2010)
Juan Sebastian Gomez (2010)
Jason Kubler (2010)
Gianni Mina (2010)
Daniel Berta (2009)
Yuki Bhambri (2009)
Tsung-Hua Yang (2008)
Grigor Dimitrov (2008)
Jonathan Eysseric (2007)
Uladzimir Ignatik (2007)
Matteo Trevisan (2007)
Ricardas Berankis (2007)
Martin Klizan (2007)
Thiemo De Bakker (2006)
Marin Cilic (2006)
Donald Young (2005)
Son-Yong Kim (2005)
Gael Monfils (2004)
Sebastian Rieschick (2004)
Florin Mergea (2003)
Marcos Baghdatis (2003)
Richard Gasquet (2002)
Brian Dabul (2002)
Jimmy Wang (2001)
Janko Tipseravic (2001)
Gilles Muller (2001)
Mario Ancic (2001)
Andy Roddick (2000)
Guillermo Coria (2000)
Kristian Pless (1999)

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Roman Safiullin (2014)
Orlando Luz (2014)
Francis Tiafoe (2014)
Stefan Kozlov (2014)
Liam Broady (2012)
Thiago Monteiro (2012)
Oliver Golding (2011)
Bjorn Fratangelo (2011)
Hugo Dellien (2011)
Dominic Theim (2011)
Agustin Velotti (2010)
Bernard Tomic (2008)
Nicolas Santos (2006)
Leonardo Mayer (2005)
Ryan Sweeting (2005)
Andy Murray (2004)
Eduardo Schwank (2004)
Brendan Evans (2004)
Phillip Simmonds (2004)
Jo-Wilfrid Tsonga (2003)
Brian Baker (2003)
Robin Soderling (2002)
Clement Morel (2002)
Ytai Abougzir (2001)
Joachim Johansson (2000)
Todor Enev (2000)
Roger Federer (1998)
Julien Jeanpierre (1998)

Career High #3

Quentin Halys (2014)
Laslo Djere (2013)
Kaichi Uchida (2012)
Filip Horansky (2011)
Denis Kudla (2010)
Damir Dzumhur (2010)
Liang-Chi Huang (2009)
Cesar Ramirez (2008)
Fernando Romboli (2007)
Roman Jebavy (2007)
Petru-Alexandru Luncanu (2007)
Alexandre Sidorenko (2006)
Dusan Lojda (2006)
Lukas Lacko (2005)
Jeremy Chardy (2005)
Robin Haase (2005)
Juan Martin Del Potro (2005)
Mischa Zverev (2004)
Gyorgy Balazs (2003)
Roman Valent (2001)
Yen-Hsun Lu (2001)
Nicholas Mahut (2000)
Eric Prodon (1999)
David Nalbandian (1998)
 

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Alex Rublev (2014)
Alexander Zverev (2013)
Borna Coric (2013)
Nikola Milojevic (2013)
Nick Kyrgios (2013)
Gianluigi Quinzi (2013)
Kimmer Coppejans (2012)
Filip Peliwo (2012)
Luke Saville (2012)
Jiri Vesely (2011)
Tiago Fernandes (2010)
Marton Fucsovics (2010)
Juan Sebastian Gomez (2010)
Jason Kubler (2010)
Gianni Mina (2010)
Daniel Berta (2009)
Yuki Bhambri (2009)
Tsung-Hua Yang (2008)
Grigor Dimitrov (2008)
Jonathan Eysseric (2007)
Uladzimir Ignatik (2007)
Matteo Trevisan (2007)
Ricardas Berankis (2007)
Martin Klizan (2007)
Thiemo De Bakker (2006)
Marin Cilic (2006)
Donald Young (2005)
Son-Yong Kim (2005)
Gael Monfils (2004)
Sebastian Rieschick (2004)
Florin Mergea (2003)
Marcos Baghdatis (2003)
Richard Gasquet (2002)
Brian Dabul (2002)
Jimmy Wang (2001)
Janko Tipseravic (2001)
Gilles Muller (2001)
Mario Ancic (2001)
Andy Roddick (2000)
Guillermo Coria (2000)
Kristian Pless (1999)

Career High #2

Roman Safiullin (2014)
Orlando Luz (2014)
Francis Tiafoe (2014)
Stefan Kozlov (2014)
Liam Broady (2012)
Thiago Monteiro (2012)
Oliver Golding (2011)
Bjorn Fratangelo (2011)
Hugo Dellien (2011)
Dominic Theim (2011)
Agustin Velotti (2010)
Bernard Tomic (2008)
Nicolas Santos (2006)
Leonardo Mayer (2005)
Ryan Sweeting (2005)
Andy Murray (2004)
Eduardo Schwank (2004)
Brendan Evans (2004)
Phillip Simmonds (2004)
Jo-Wilfrid Tsonga (2003)
Brian Baker (2003)
Robin Soderling (2002)
Clement Morel (2002)
Ytai Abougzir (2001)
Joachim Johansson (2000)
Todor Enev (2000)
Roger Federer (1998)
Julien Jeanpierre (1998)

Career High #3

Quentin Halys (2014)
Laslo Djere (2013)
Kaichi Uchida (2012)
Filip Horansky (2011)
Denis Kudla (2010)
Damir Dzumhur (2010)
Liang-Chi Huang (2009)
Cesar Ramirez (2008)
Fernando Romboli (2007)
Roman Jebavy (2007)
Petru-Alexandru Luncanu (2007)
Alexandre Sidorenko (2006)
Dusan Lojda (2006)
Lukas Lacko (2005)
Jeremy Chardy (2005)
Robin Haase (2005)
Juan Martin Del Potro (2005)
Mischa Zverev (2004)
Gyorgy Balazs (2003)
Roman Valent (2001)
Yen-Hsun Lu (2001)
Nicholas Mahut (2000)
Eric Prodon (1999)
David Nalbandian (1998)
Highlighting the ones who have 'failed' to live up to what we would expect from the top juniors in the senior game, and have little or no chance of changing that fact.
 

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juniors mean almost nothing nowadays. watch peliwo and what he did, the first since edberg to play all 4 slam finals the same year...and now, he has a "decent" career but nowhere potential to reach top 10 right now imo....
 

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so you'd say The Don has a good chance to turn things around again?
He has already been in the top 50 (IIRC), and he still has plenty of time to get back there or even higher. It's unlikely, but it's not impossible, so I'd say it would be disrespectful to put him in red right now.

I've judged the #1s more harshly than the #2s or #3s, as you'd naturally expect them to achieve more in the senior game.
 

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I think all things considered, Eric Prodon shouldn't be in red, but nice addition to the thread. :)
 

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Highlighting the ones who have 'failed' to live up to what we would expect from the top juniors in the senior game, and have little or no chance of changing that fact.
I don't know why you think that players like Pless, Muller or de Bakker have "failed", while others like Young, Kubler or Bhambri would've fullfil their potentiel according to their junior results.
 

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I think all things considered, Eric Prodon shouldn't be in red, but nice addition to the thread. :)
He barely made it into the top 100. I know he was plagued by injuries, but my judgement shan't be clouded by sympathy. ;)

I don't know why you think that players like Pless, Muller or de Bakker have "failed", while others like Young, Kubler or Bhambri would've fullfil their potentiel according to their junior results.
Read what I wrote again. I'm not saying that those guys will succeed, I'm just saying it's too early to write them off. As it stands, yes the latter three have failed, but I believe they still have time to rectify things. The former three have failed, and can't really change that. Muller has had a nice career, but a junior number one should have achieved more. De Bakker would normally still be young enough, but he's going backwards rather than forwards. :)
 

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I think all things considered, Eric Prodon shouldn't be in red, but nice addition to the thread. :)
come on, prodon was never more than a journeyman. surely he achieved less than we expected

its crazy gyorgy balazs was a junior world number 3 too. he retired at such a young age and actually his little brother attila has been way more successful than him, with a way worse career. gyorgy is a coach this days, btw
 

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It's all about transition. How does one's game translate to the pros? The pure tennis skills, the physical development, the mindset and competitive character?
Looking at a guy like Zverev you know he'll be a top player simply because of his physical frame. But you have juniors out there who will just not have the physical development to compete at the highest level. Others will struggle with injuries. Others don't have the mindset of a generation-defining talent. Darwin knew a thing or two about it. Selection. Transition. Combining skills, character, and physicality.
 

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Berankis is a failure but Donald Young isn't? What?
People tend to forget that Young had a superb end to 2011 in favour of remembering that disastrous losing streak in 2012. He's currently #70 in the world, with a career high of #38, and only just about to turn 25. He has plenty of time to improve that career high. Don't write him off yet.

Young has clearly achieved far more than Berankis to date, and Berankis seems to be going backwards in his career.
 

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Berankis is a failure but Donald Young isn't? What?
Donald Young was in the Top 50 like The Prince said and has had good wins against solid players in the past including Andy Murray.

This year he's finding his form again. He has had wins on clay against solid clay players and was close to reaching the 4th Round of the French Open after being 2 sets down to Giraldo in the 3rd round match (he lost in 5 but gave a valiant effort).
 

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People tend to forget that Young had a superb end to 2011 in favour of remembering that disastrous losing streak in 2012. He's currently #70 in the world, with a career high of #38, and only just about to turn 25. He has plenty of time to improve that career high. Don't write him off yet.

Young has clearly achieved far more than Berankis to date, and Berankis seems to be going backwards in his career.
Funny how majority dislikes D. Young, while majority likes Berankis, so achievements aren't fully recalled.
 

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of course they arent. actually nadal is so hated on this board, for example :lol:

but anyway, berankis is a better player than young in my eyes :p haha just my opinion though
 

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How is Berankis the better player? Sure, you might like him more, doesn't make him the better player. That's like me saying Janowicz is a better player than Dimitrov, it's just not true...
 
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