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Del Potro's success if he had minimal to no injuries on tour.

  • 5 plus slams , 3+ masters and some time spent in top 3 and or a week or two spent at #1.

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  • 2 plus slams, one master , time spent in top ten , with upsets and a lot of 500 wins.

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Part of the reason for Djokovic and Federer's major success is their ability to be basically injury free. Its not an ability, maybe its genetics, training, etc. Regardless Djokovic and Federer have enjoyed probably 12+ years on the tour, practically injury free.

Federer had his back issues and had to have knee surgery, but he has been able to easily comeback from both injuries , actually having phenomenal years post problems. 2014 and 2017.

Djokovic had a niggling elbow injury and maybe a shoulder for a while , but nothing that has taken him out again and again. Even in 2017 when he disappeared , he came and won AO 2018 and Wimbledon 2018 and has had barely any problems since.

Nadal has also had injuries , but they seem to have been rarely anything major that takes him out for one full year.

Let's get to the point. 2008 we saw the ascendancy of a young Argentinian, who had the fire, passion and power to cause some real damage on tour. The next year he beat Nadal and Federer in succession. Del Potro had no fear against two of the all time greats and instead of folding like a cheap tent and getting nervous and being "Happy" for Federer or Nadal winning, he beat them both.

He got as far as making the WTF finals against a peaking Playstationdenko.

2010 roll along and he gets injured, the wrist. He comes back in 2011 and loses to a Marcos Baghdatis, dropping him down to number 458. Not to soon after he is playing Nadal in an Indian Wells Semi Final. He does well enough and keeps on winning and losing to good opponents , with the highlight of losing to Nadal at Davis Cup.

Goes from number 458 - 11

2012 and 2013 he gave his all , and played brutal matches against big 3 and played in a GOAT match with Djokovic Wimbledon 2013. Moved back into top 10 and shortly back into top 5. But in 2013 you could tell it was taxing on him physically and mentally. He would flex the wrist and stretch with some grimaces on his face, but he never retired.

2014-2015 - Two years gone. That's it. Misses two crucial years where the tour was not at its best. He came back for about one or two tournaments in 2015 and quickly bowed out.

2016 he comes back ... with a forehand and slice backhand and has to play the most motivated Murray in the Olympics only barely losing after his body gives up.

2017 he is doing better but still is not smacking a two handed backhand. Still manages to have a fantastic US Open , beating Thiem and Federer , before bowing out to peaking Nadal

2018 looked to be the year. He won Indian Wells , hitting two handed backhands, barely lost to Nadal in Wimbledon and only lost to a peaking Djokovic in the US Open finals. Fractures his KNEE.

Now we have no tennis and Del Potro missed basically another year in 2019. Had injuries and finally gave out again.

The guys has missed 4-5 years of play in total in comparison to a decent 8 years of playing.... The only problem is that every injury he has had , hasn't allowed him to just spring right back, after sitting on the couch and look like a floating butterfly , while dancing around AO courts.... He has needed a jump start year to settle himself back in and when he is at the top .. something always happens.

4 surgeries on the wrists and a messed up knee.

What do you all think about Del Potro's slam count, masters , count , etc. if he had minimal to no injuries? To be fair during his ascendancy , he has had to play peak versions of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic , so maybe it might not look that different, but we have seen that his peak is good enough to beat anyone.

I leave it to you MTF.
 

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Prob 2 extra really, as the others still better and more complete players
 

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He's one of my favourites, but he never had the consistency that was necessary to make a big impact on the sport. Also, the Big 3 and Murray were always going deep in tournaments, compounding the problem.

Del Potro had no chances at the Australian Open - his least successful slam. The same can be said for Roland Garros. My heart is telling me he would have won one more slam...somewhere. Perhaps Wimbledon 2017? That was the weakest slam in a while, with a weak and injured slam finalist.

I would say one more slam.
 

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Prob 2 extra really, as the others still better and more complete players
Idk Wawrinka was able to end up with 3. Maybe he even could have taken one or two of the wawrinka slams?

Del Potro actually is a good RG player.
 
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Idk Wawrinka was able to end up with 3. Maybe he even could have taken one or two of the wawrinka slams?

Del Potro actually is a good RG player.
Remember that one with fed when he was v young?

I think wawrinka was lucky in all his slams. Got big help in all them. People won't like that but i think its true
 
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At such a height and weight that he plays at, injury is almost inevitable unfortunately. Throwing your body around the court at that size, running around with guys like Ferrer and the like, it's just grinding. He always had fitness concerns, always looked about to collapse aerobically, but then he throws down 220 kph serve

Answering the mythical question, if he only had a regular amount of injuries and not the avalanche he has had, maybe 5 slams total

Maybe he could have played basketball and had a longer, less injurious career
 

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Remember that one with fed when he was v young?

I think wawrinka was lucky in all his slams. Got big help in all them. People won't like that but i think its true
You are absolutely spot on. It may not be a popular opinion, but Wawrinka clearly benefitted by facing compromised opponents. Whether those were due because of injury or from having a scheduling advantage; I can only wish my favourites had that kind of luck. Then again, I would always prefer my favourites to win the noble and difficult way.
 

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I would like to think that Del Potro could have beaten Wawrinka or the vulnerable opponents Wawrinka had faced in the final. Sadly, it was not to be for Del Potro. :(
 

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Am a big fan of Delpo esp. when that FH is firing but for one but his physique is probably more suitable as a forward in basketball or even a tight end in football & not for the rigorous lateral sprinting required in tennis. Secondly, I don’t think he has had as good trainers or even coaches as the big 3 have had. Sadly, after so much time taken away from rehabbing, I see Masters as more likely than majors but if I had to pick one, i’d lean towards another USO.
 

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Well its a Catch 22, if he hadn't such big missiles he wouldn't have got injured so often, but then if he didn't have those missiles he wouldn't have challenged successfully anyway. There's a reason nobody 6 foot 6 or more has ever won a Slam.
 

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I could see him winning one or two more masters 1000 titles, and possibly reaching another slam final. Probably would’ve been fairly consistently in the top 10, but wouldn’t have reached the level of Murray or even Wawrinka.
 

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He didn't just have bad luck with injuries, he was basically injury-prone.

Even before he won his lone slam in a spectacular fashion back in 2009, he's already had a long history of getting knocked out by injuries and having to repeatedly come back from them. And he was only 21 years old at the time.

Feels like this is as far as he was ever going to get with Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Wawrinka in the mix. There was Cilic, too, but he never seemed to have the mentality to compete with the contemporary slam champions.
 

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Del Po isnt far off Stan and Andy to me, that great power is an incredible asset
 

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There are so many variables at play, could be 1, could be 3, could be 5. I'd say 3, like Wawrinka and Murray.

He won one when he was only 20 against Federer and Nadal (both were still below 30), so you never know.
 

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del potro was never the dominant type of player the way those guys were/are. even taking the injuries into account i think of him more as the cilic type of peaking for a while but not being consistant enough to really challenge all year long. that being said marin is still a great player and has had a great career, there's nothing wrong with that

i could see him winning a handful more if he'd stayed fit. 3 or 4 at most. its not like the h2h's with the big 3 were close. he's dominated by federer and djokovic. slightly better against nadal
 

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del potro was never the dominant type of player the way those guys were/are. even taking the injuries into account i think of him more as the cilic type of peaking for a while but not being consistant enough to really challenge all year long. that being said marin is still a great player and has had a great career, there's nothing wrong with that

i could see him winning a handful more if he'd stayed fit. 3 or 4 at most. its not like the h2h's with the big 3 were close. he's dominated by federer and djokovic. slightly better against nadal
He was pretty dominant when he was on tour consistently, he was typically top 10 or better, even top 5 for a good portion of the year.

Most of the wins against him were pretty tight ... without looking them up. 4-16 vs. Djokovic is pretty terrible and yeah its a losing H2H. But peaking in form Del Potro was surely a sight to behold... the unfortunate thing is it took about a year before we could see this version of him again. He got beaten pretty handily by many players , but then would find top form again and get so close.

Look MTF I get it. Del Potro is 6'6 and does a jumping roll on hard court and hits 160kpm forehand. It makes sense.

We can entertain the what ifs. (y)
 
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Remember that one with fed when he was v young?

I think wawrinka was lucky in all his slams. Got big help in all them. People won't like that but i think its true
What help? Beating Djokovic, Nadal and Federer in every slam he won is help? Mate, your bias makes you blind and incapable of objective judgement. If there is one player who deserved his slams without any asterisks it’s Stan Wawrinka.
 

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Of course no assists or boosts for Wawa in 2015 FO when after disposing Tsonga in SF, he was facing an opponent who had to beat Murray in the 5 set SF but due to weather delay & botched RG scheduling, had to compete 3 days in a row.
 
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