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There's been a lot of debate comparing the likes Tsonga, del Potro, Ferrer, Berdych, Soderling, we can add Cilic since he won the USO, and Wawrinka himself, comparing them to each other. But does Wawrinka distance himself from those now? Cilic is a slam winner but has NOTHING outside of that, compared to the rest of the lot. Tsonga, Ferrer and Berdych are slam finalists but only reached one final, Wawrinka has TWO and actually won of them, Soderling has 2 as well, but doesn't have a title. Tsonga does have an extra M1000 compared to the others, but less slam finals and no title should logically place him below Stan (despite having a WTF final, like Ferrer). Del Potro is a similar case to Cilic in the sense that he has one slam but no other finals or M1000 title, obviously much better, being more time at the top and a bigger threat to the TOP 4. He was unlucky not to win a M1000, reaching three finals, and reached a World Tour Final final as well. If he hadn't been constantly out because of injuries he probably would be at least in Wawrinka's level in term of achievements, if not more, but unfortunately he has. He is younger than the other so he still can win more titles, if he can ever be fit again.

PD: Obviously Hewitt doesn't count.
 

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This year he is the 3rd best player in the world only behind novak and andy, as far as career achievements I would say him and del potro are the best players outside the big 4, if stan wins rg though he will be the best outright
 

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Yes. Delpo would be ahead if he weren't so injury prone but if my aunt had balls etc.
 

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Yes, always thought this after his 2013 season.
 

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Wawrinka is such an awesome player when he's on. However, he's too damn inconsistent and this is why he doesn't win big often. Though when he reaches this far in tournaments, he is likely not to fade too much so that's a good thing for him. Currently you can put him better than the rest excluding the Top 4, in terms of level when he's playing well.
 

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Yep, a second slam puts him past the slam finalists without question, despite their definite achievements, and arguably past Del Potro as well.

You could argue the case for some of those who have spent at least half a decade inside the top 10, but given Stan has a masters, a few masters finals, a few WTF SFs, Davis Cup, etc. under his belt, 2 slams (against Noledal) unequivocably takes him past them.

I think you draw the line at the more accomplished of the one slam winners (i.e. Chang, Roddick, etc.). Wawrinka needs a few more top 5/top 10 finishes to put that lot to bed.
 

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If we are talking outside the big 4 as opposed to the current ranking top 4 It should be Berdych but his mental scaring and inability to threaten the big 4 means it's Wawrinka. He is inconsistent but when his game is on he has the ability to beat the top 4. The question is does he believe in himself enough of the time.
 
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