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So, tennis player ranked 73 now, Pablo Carreño-Busta, decided he wasn't vulturing enough in this last year or so, and dediced to take vulturing to a whole new level. This tournament is a challenger clay tournament right in the week before wimbledon MD starts. Look at the entry list and try not to laugh.

Location: Mohammedia, Morocco
Type: €42.5K
Surface: Outdoor Clay
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Starting Date: June 16
2013 Champion: new event
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Entry List
Main Draw
Carreno Busta, Pablo ESP 68
Melzer, Gerald AUT 140
Carballes Baena, Roberto ESP 185
Clezar, Guilherme BRA 204
Safwat, Mohamed EGY 213
Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben ESP 215
Peliwo, Filip CAN 236
Souto, David VEN 246
OUT Samper-Montana, Jordi ESP 252
Lama, Gonzalo CHI 266
Hocevar, Ricardo BRA 274
Krstin, Pedja SRB 281
Wang, Tak Khunn FRA 285
De Greef , Arthur BEL 287
Balleret, Benjamin MON 289
Kubler, Jason AUS 294
Lobkov, Alexander RUS 296
Vaisse, Martin FRA 297
Rodriguez - Pace, Ricardo VEN 298
Romboli, Fernando BRA 299
Sikora, Adrian SVK 301
Munoz-De La Nava, Daniel ESP 304
So this guy is labeled on some people on MTF as a world prospect? Some kind of rising star? The guy has a young tennis age (22 years old) ranked well inside top 100, knows that he will play in a slam MD in a different surface, but doesn't even tries to improve himself on a weaker surface of him?

How can this guy aspire to something bigger if he wants to play scrubs on the only surface he can play, when he could improve himself as a player? The guy goes there with ZERO matches played on grass. I mean, the guy had DE in Rosmalen where the cut-off is outside top 80 but prefers to play some obscure challenger in Marrocco. Worst, the guy choses not only to vulture a clay challenger tournament, but he also vultures the WORST field possible, when he had Milan the same week!!!

Guys like these being in top 100 are the cancer of tennis. All of this, makes me think PCB will just go there and be happy to collect R1 prize money, after probably vulturing 80 pts in a almost future like challenger. Almost the same as a Wimbledon R3 MD.

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He is a joke, it is well estabilished.
 

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best preparation for Wimbledon is a clay challenger

King Oscar Hernandez has done that many times
 

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I would rarely say this, but PCB is wise to look after his own best interests in this case.

He will never have the game to compete at the top level. The shot making just isn't there. However, he is consistent enough to win at the challengers and futures level, and wants to make sure to always have enough points to collect the bigger first round checks in the Slams. He will lose in the first round of Wimbledon no matter who he draws.
 

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I would rarely say this, but PCB is wise to look after his own best interests in this case.

He will never have the game to compete at the top level. The shot making just isn't there. However, he is consistent enough to win at the challengers and futures level, and wants to make sure to always have enough points to collect the bigger first round checks in the Slams. He will lose in the first round of Wimbledon no matter who he draws.
Yeah, but the joke is on some people here (quite a lot actually) that label him as a future world star.
 

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The problem is really more with the ATP ranking system than with PCB. If the ATP didn't reward challengers and futures so much (i.e. a challenger title is often worth more than the 90 points given for an ATP 250 semifinal), then guys like PCB would obviously never be in the top 100. As it stands, he can always vulture enough points to stay in the top 100, despite the fact that he can't even make a match competitive against those guys.
 

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Well, I wouldn't probably downgrade pts of challengers, unless they are played in the week before AND during slams to half of it. So this tournament give something like 40 pts to the winner.
 

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he will loose in wimbledon r1 anyway so he will try to get as many points as he can this week. no problem found here
 

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I don't see how this is vulturing. There are 2 other top 200 players in the draw. Quite a field imo.
 

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Clown.

Should be in Eastbourne. At least try to adjust yourself to grass.

This is why I respect Estrella so much.
 

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no such thing as a weak draw with Ramirez Hidalgo in it
 

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Listen

A tennis player's career is 10 years.... 12 years at best, 14 if you have the right physios, conditionists and overall team with you, like the top guys.

Player's do not have time to start working on their weaknesses by the time they're 22. They are there to maximise their ability on the surfaces they are good at and make the most of themselves on tour. By getting ranking points he gives himself a better chance at a future down the line, vulturing smaller tournaments is needed for this sort of guy.

He simply does not, NOT, have the game for a faster surface, it is as simple and plain as that. He has a horrid backhand and a big backswing on the forehand, he likes balls that are high, that's his strikezone. Some player's will just never have the game for a certain surface and that's why they will always focus on their prefered.

I disagree with all these morons that say work on your weaknesses? Why? You aren't in their position, you don't know what being on tour means to a player like this.

This theory that you should improve your weakness is BS, the game is so that you should focus on your strengths and MAXIMISE those strengths, improving them even and making the most out of the career you can have with them. Player's are on tour because they specailise in one type of art in tennis, some grinding, some attacking and some counterpunching.... that's putting it in laymans terms, but you get the gist.


Why should a player that has no hope on a surface even bother? Yes, okay, he may and might improve his game EVER SO MARGINALLY on grass but it's not going to be to a significant enough degree that will actually EVER make it worthwhile. You have 10 years to make the most of your career, you don't have time to piss around.

Carreno Busta probably doesn't even have the game to beat some of the British player's on grass out there ranked in the 800s and that is by no means an exageration. Everyone is on tour because they do one thing special and good enough at the elite level. Only a few, the top 50, be good at all 4 surfaces. The rest have their niche and make the most of what they're good at.

Maturing as a tennis player is become familiar and familiar with your strengths and weaknesses, once you have done that then it's up to you to play around your strengths and weaknesses. Accommodate.

Kevin Anderson is a perfect example of someone that understands what he is good at and what he is not. In laymans terms, he NEVER opts to play conservatively.

Player's like Carreno Busta are clearly never going to be a factor on the faster surfaces, so they will always prioritise around the clay and slower hardcourts. Ofcourse they'll turn in and up for the wimbledon's but that's merely only ever for the experience and hey if they do well, they do well. Give their best effort, may be get a 1st or 2nd round win... meet a fellow claycourter and get some useful ranking points but that's it.

What the OPer doesnt' realise is EVERY claycourt specialist is the same.

http://tennisabstract.com/entrylists/player_schedules.html
 

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He's playing at the level he belongs. :shrug:
Wrong.

He's priotising, being realistic and maximising what he has to offer the game.

Why the fuck would he play grass-court tournaments when he's barely ever played on it in his life?

Del Bonis, Vesley.... etc .... player's like this .... they're not playing warm-up grasscourt events before wimbledon and it's because they realise they are not going to make a career off grass, the highlight of their career, is NEVER going to be at wimbledon, possibly you could say Vesley may one day be half decent on grass, but for right now? He, like Del Bonis and Busta.... are making COMPLETELY the right decisions.

Any troll or mindless fool that thinks otherwise and thinks it's trolling, is an IGNORANT sod.
 

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I agree with Clutch here, PCB definitely does not have a grass game. If he's to go to Wimbledon, he's just gonna do it for the nice 27000 pound check, nothing else.

BTW, Clutch, why do you write the plural of "player" like "player's"? You're British, you should know the difference between belonging to a player and the plural of player, as in players. At first I thought it was a spelling error, but you did it more than once in your post, so it's how you write.:confused:
 
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