[Kowchi]

The bygone era of players moving into the net, hitting drop shots, utilizing slices and angles or going for the unorthodox shot, seems to have flown past the modern generation.

Racquet technology where balls will magically dip in at the back of the line , and players having the stamina and speed of a spring bock Gazelle , has almost nullified the now old school, all court play style.

So what do you think about All court game? Basically out of 50 ish young guys, the number of of al court players is boiled down to Tsitsipas who is a diverse player, but most other guys are baseline grinders or baseline attackers.

Is it even viable to teach or worthwhile to teach? Basically Federer is the last man to carry on the all court game. After him it will basically go extinct.

What is your opinion?

 

[Unbiased]

Players today should be disqualified for excessive net rushing. That laughable "tactics" belongs to the amateur past. Players today should only and exclusively play the proper efficient tennis similar to the Big 2.

 

[Burrow]

The bygone era of players moving into the net, hitting drop shots, utilizing slices and angles or going for the unorthodox shot, seems to have flown past the modern generation.

Racquet technology where balls will magically dip in at the back of the line , and players having the stamina and speed of a spring bock Gazelle , has almost nullified the now old school, all court play style.

So what do you think about All court game? Basically out of 50 ish young guys, the number of of al court players is boiled down to Tsitsipas who is a diverse player, but most other guys are baseline grinders or baseline attackers.

Is it even viable to teach or worthwhile to teach? Basically Federer is the last man to carry on the all court game. After him it will basically go extinct.

What is your opinion?

For someone who acts so smart, you sure do ask some stupid questions.

For a start, racket technology has not improved since the mid 90's. Professionals are using paintjobs of old models and pro-stock models based similarly to such frames. Very few high-level professionals will be grabbing rackets off the shelf.

How could volleying well be seen as a redundant part of a player's arsenal? Does someone really need to point out the players out there who would be worse off without their volleying ability? Every single tournament we watch players in close matches, finding themselves embroiled in slugfests they wouldn't need to be competing in had they been able to volley.

Some players like Michael Llodra were able to make a career out of volleying. Courts were still snail slow when he was winning, rackets and balls were still the same. If he had been able to hit ground strokes even as well as Kyle Edmund, he'd have been competing for slams. That's how effective his volleys were, and that's how poor his ground strokes were.

 

[Claybot]

Players today should be disqualified for excessive net rushing. That laughable "tactics" belongs to the amateur past. Players today should only and exclusively play the proper efficient tennis similar to the Big 2.

Don't know what's worse, the trash you proliferate on this forum, or the trash you sell on your signature

 

[Servebots=GOAT]

For someone who acts so smart, you sure do ask some stupid questions.

For a start, racket technology has not improved since the mid 90's. Professionals are using paintjobs of old models and pro-stock models based similarly to such frames. Very few high-level professionals will be grabbing rackets off the shelf.

How could volleying well be seen as a redundant part of a player's arsenal? Does someone really need to point out the players out there who would be worse off without their volleying ability? Every single tournament we watch players in close matches, finding themselves embroiled in slugfests they wouldn't need to be competing in had they been able to volley.

Some players like Michael Llodra were able to make a career out of volleying. Courts were still snail slow when he was winning, rackets and balls were still the same. If he had been able to hit ground strokes even as well as Kyle Edmund, he'd have been competing for slams. That's how effective his volleys were, and that's how poor his ground strokes were.

It’s the strings that have fucked up the all court game as well as the slowing down of courts. The poly strings used today allow for a shit ton of topspin to be hit and make it super easy to pass net players and are also the reason you see these ridiculous angles being created. Players today modified their games around current conditions which suit baseliners which is why no one has a goddamn clue how to volley or do really anything other than push or ball bash apart from a few players.

 

[Burrow]

It’s the strings that have fucked up the all court game as well as the slowing down of courts. The poly strings used today allow for a shit ton of topspin to be hit and make it super easy to pass net players and are also the reason you see these ridiculous angles being created. Players today modified their games around current conditions which suit baseliners which is why no one has a goddamn clue how to volley or do really anything other than push or ball bash apart from a few players.

Poly strings came about in the mid 90's too. However, players who played through that era had already developed as players and thus the variety was still present, obviously.

For the last 10 years we have seen the result of the poly strings compounded by the homogenised courts. All of this wouldn't have mattered, though, had children grown up watching attacking players at the top of the sport.

Poly strings still allow for excellent net play, but the scope for defensive tennis is of course heightened and that is why we are seeing less talented players and better athletes today.

Many top players still used natural gut. Look at Justine Henin on the women's side - I don't think there has been as impressive a slam champion as Justine Henin in the last 10 years.

Tommy Haas was still playing an all-court style of tennis at the age of 35 with a racket fully strong with gut.

 

[Johnny Groove]

Don't know what's worse, the trash you proliferate on this forum, or the trash you sell on your signature

Wow never noticed him selling T's

Might pick up Good Vibe, Smooth, and Too Funky myself

 

[bilentsob]

Nah. Servebot + Grinder is all you need fam.

 

[Unbiased]

Don't know what's worse, the trash you proliferate on this forum, or the trash you sell on your signature

Is this the meanest you got? Maybe I should start selling punching bags for angry and bitter posters like you who need to unleash onto something in order to be able to be civil and constructive.

 

[Ronman]

The way the courts are getting slower, a boring style game is the future

Like Rafas

 

[Servebots=GOAT]

Don't know what's worse, the trash you proliferate on this forum, or the trash you sell on your signature

He’s just a damn troll. Even he can’t possibly believe the shit he says on here.

 

[Phillo]

The way the courts are getting slower, a boring style game is the future

Like Rafas

Actually USO is admittedly the most guilty of experimenting that affects not just speed but bounce but w/ the upcoming new Laykold surface, it may have gone back to more neutral HC conditions.

 

[NADALalot]

It will continue to be taught at Rafa's academy, that is for certain.

2019 Wimbledon Final had 422 points.
Federer came to the net 65 times (won 51).

2019 US Open Final had 341 points.
Nadal came to the net 66 times (won 51).

 

[Manu_ser]

I noticed most youngsters have decent to very good volley skills, that wasn't necessarily the case ten years ago. What I miss is players able to hit a volley sharp and deep, most players now go for drop shot volleys.

 

[Johnny Groove]

Sure, the all court game is way more fun to play

Not everything is about money

I noticed most youngsters have decent to very good volley skills, that wasn't necessarily the case ten years ago. What I miss is players able to hit a volley sharp and deep, most players now go for drop shot volleys.

Simply a matter of distance run. Guys move so well nowadays, a nice volley deep and he only has to traverse laterally. A drop volley and he must not only run a longer distance, but must move both laterally as well as forward, giving more time for the ball to bounce a 2nd time or for the other guy to be ready even if he does get it

 

[Servebots=GOAT]

I noticed most youngsters have decent to very good volley skills, that wasn't necessarily the case ten years ago. What I miss is players able to hit a volley sharp and deep, most players now go for drop shot volleys.

Most players today can’t hit drop volleys either. The ones that can also effectively use the deep volley to mix things up. Few players today are actually good volleyers. What passes for “good” today would be put to shame in the 90’s and 80’s.

 

[NADALalot]

Most players today can’t hit drop volleys either. The ones that can also effectively use the deep volley to mix things up. Few players today are actually good volleyers. What passes for “good” today would be put to shame in the 90’s and 80’s.

Its not possible for anyone of any era to have a better drop volley than Rafa, because he drops it literally as short as possible and with the finest of angles too.
I don't believe anyone in the 80s or 90s has a better drop volley than Rafa.

 

[Servebots=GOAT]

Its not possible for anyone of any era to have a better drop volley than Rafa, because he drops it literally as short as possible and with the finest of angles too.
I don't believe anyone in the 80s or 90s has a better drop volley than Rafa.

Cmon man you surely don’t actually believe that. He’s got one of the better ones in the current era but comparing his volleys with the 80’s and 90’s is like comparing a challenger mug to Djokovic.