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Nadal is still third on the ATP tour in terms of both total points won and total games won as a percentage. However, he's been doing terrible this year. For comparison i compared him to Murray, who's currently second in the race:

Andy Murray 2015: 46-8(85.2%)
Rafael Nadal 2015: 34-12(73.9%)

Total points won 2015:

Rafael Nadal in 2013 - 54.8%
Rafael Nadal - 54.2%
Andy Murray -54.1%


Total games won 2015:

Rafael Nadal in 2013 - 60.9%
Rafael Nadal - 59.4%
Andy Murray - 58.9%

:confused::confused::confused::eek::eek::eek:

Nadal has won a higher percentage of overall points and games than Murray but has a far worse record. In fact it isn't that far off from where he was in 2013.

The reason for this? Nadal is simply terrible in clutch moments compared to before:

Tiebreaks:

Andy Murray 2015 - 75%
Rafael Nadal 2013 - 72%
Rafael Nadal 2015 - 46% :mad:

Break points saved:

Rafael Nadal 2013 - 69.4% (Think 0-40 game vs Djokovic USO 3rd set)
Andy Murray 2015 - 62%
Rafael Nadal 2015 -60.8% :eek::eek: (Behind the likes of Boredo, Chardy, Bellucci etc)

Break points converted:

Andy Murray 2015 - 48%
Rafael Nadal 2013- 46.8%
Rafael Nadal 2015- 41.3%

Rafael Nadal's break points saved/converted are about 6-9% down compared to his historical numbers in 2013 and Murray. So he hasn't really been playing that much worse (according to stats of overall points) but is just becoming a midget in the break point moments (aka pulling a Federer on break points). Does this give Nadal some hope or is this just part of his mental decline?
 

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Nope decline doesn't exist apparently, the competition only got better..


Though he is balding pretty damn fast... Wonder why :secret:
 

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I liked your post before you added "Behind the likes of Boredo, Chardy" :mad: ;)


Nope decline doesn't exist apparently, the competition only got better..


Though he is balding pretty damn fast... Wonder why :secret:

Your allegations are seriously the most pathetic and ridiculous and ret**det I've ever seen. On any sports forum.
 

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This kind of paradoxical stats also tend to happen when a player becomes irregular : I mean the general % of points/games won are not a lot affected by some bad matches, but the tournaments results decline and also the stats for the breakpoints saved are bad in those conditions comparing to the % of points won on serve (because one bad game is enough to be broken). It was also an important part of Federer's problem when ageing.

It's clear this year that Nadal has been very irregular,

Also crucially lacked confidence in some matches and especially key-moments as he himself said,

but his general level has also become more irregular than ever.

He's played pretty well in many matches this year, yes, but his level dropped surprisingly in some others as well (for instance in Barcelona against Fognini after a good Monte-Carlo and a good Barcelona first round against Almagro)

Also sometimes he was unlucky bumping in players playing great (Dolgopolov in the Queens and Brown in Wimbledon played absolutely great matches imo) but it's not what happened most generally.
 

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is Murray GOATing on Bps converted or is that number normal?
 

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is Murray GOATing on Bps converted or is that number normal?
he was around 44% previous years then he looks better this year, but we're now entering the quicker courts period (well we've already entered it with grass :lol: ).

Murray is a great returner although his stat on breakpoints converted is usually unimpressive comparing to his % of points won on return
 

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For these stats, you have to remember that when not getting as far in tournaments as he used to, his average level of competition is also worse. For matches played compared to 2013, which matches are missing? Mainly SFs and Fs. Those matches rarely contribute positively to % of games or points won even if you win them.
 

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Not sure how much you can take from having a higher percentage of points or games won than someone who went deeper in a lot of tournaments. Murray will have more wins against top players in QFs and SFs where he'll be less likely to win a huge percentage of points even in victory, where as Nadal might beat a few opponents convincingly to get to the third round then lose a close one to a lesser player in a match where he still wins close to 50% of the points (or even higher).

Perhaps it does mean that Nadal is losing a lot of close matches, but it is close matches to low ranked opposition - if he did clutch out the wins in those close matches then he might just lose a lot more badly to better opponents in the later rounds.
 

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For a player who depends on his "physicality" as much as a "super-grinder" like Nadal does, your "mental-strength", goes up and down with your physical abilities.

If Nadal is convinced that he can "out-grind" his opponents, he will have more "confidence".

Clearly, he has not had as much strength/speed/stamina in the last year, as he used to. This is why he doesn't believe in himself as much.

On the other hand, Nadal has gone through these stages where his forehand comes up short, his speed is off, and his stamina is down. He has bounced back from these lulls before. There is no reason that he can't do it again.

2016 would be a great year for a "golden slam" that would cement Nadal's legacy as the GREATEST SPARTAN OF ALL TIME !
 
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