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When I listen him commentating I have an impression that he knows everything about every player on the Tour. He also sounds very confident when talking about the US team chances. Yet when it's time to play, the US team loses in the first round 2 years in a row.


Should he resign? Does he even know what he's doing?:rolleyes:

Who is to blame here?
 

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Well in all fairness, they've lost in the first round twice in 3 years, not in 2 straight years - they did make the semis last year, after all, although when they had to leave American shores they floundered against France at Roland Garros.

Both times they've gone out at this stage, the US team has been somewhat lacking in top players - they only had Gambill and Todd Martin for the Switzerland tie back in 2001, and equally here both Sampras and Roddick were absent; their serves were needed to match those of Ljubicic and Ivanisevic.
 

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Russia didn't have Safin and Youzhny (to play the second singles match) and still managed to win...

Bryan brothers haven't played ... why? I'm sure he hasn't invited them, because I remember Patrick saying during last year US Open that brothers are not at the high enough level to play for the US team. I'm sure they are definitely better than Bkale/Fish.

On couple of occasions Patrick overlooked Gambill in favor of Blake... Gambill now returned the favor.

So who is to blame that he can't gather the best available team?
 

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He did better than his bro. (hehe) I think he's alright but he sure did bungle up the doubles selections. Why not choose the Bryans or Palmer/Johnson? And asking Jan Michael as an afterthought?! WTF is up with that?! Making the James the workhorse did not sit well with me but Patty Mac has an entire year to think about it so... we'll see. :eek:
 

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I like Patrick McEnroe! He is knowledgable and friendly. He always has a nice word for me when I see him in the summer. And I feel bad that the U.S. team lost in the first round of Davis Cup play. But he learning the hard way about not including one of the two top U.S. doubles team on the Davis Cup roster. I don't care if they can't play singles. They desperately needed the doubles point and they didn't get it as usual. To expect Blake and Fish to carry to whole load is asking too much of them. Either team of Bryan/Bryan or Palmer/Johnson would have probably beaten the Yugoslavian team in straight sets. But I will credit Yugoslavia and Goran Ivanisevic for their great comeback and win! :) Fortunately for them the U.S. team didn't include either of their top doubles teams.

I think Patrick McEnroe is the right man for the job as Davis Cup Captain. Unfortunately his top players(Agassi and Sampras) refuse to play Davis Cup. And Roddick is uaually injured. That's not his fault. They need to regroup and develope a young team led by Roddick, Blake, Bryan and Bryan. In time that will be one of the best Davis Cup teams in the world! :)
 

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Not to be pedantic, but it's Croatia, not Yugoslavia (I should imagine most Croatians aren't keen on being labelled as Yugoslavs - I believe that's how Goran first created a stir in the early 90s by insisting he play under the flag of the newly-created Croatian state).
 

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Bryan brothers haven't played ... why? I'm sure he hasn't invited them, because I remember Patrick saying during last year US Open that brothers are not at the high enough level to play for the US team. I'm sure they are definitely better than Bkale/Fish.
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So who is to blame that he can't gather the best available team?
PMac refuses to consider a doubles team for Davis Cup because he wants four singles players "just in case". I thought the Bryans should have gone to France last year (though kudos for Blake & Martin for winning that match), and most definitely should have been included this year since Martin & Roddick weren't available.

Lots of countries don't consider doubles specialists for the DC teams, but then, those countries usually have one good doubles player on hand, or a team that's played together in a few tourneys beforehand. PMac went into this thing with James Blake as his only experienced player, with Mardy Fish as a second singles player and then Robby Ginepri and Taylor Dent. I'd have definitely dumped Giniepri & Dent for the chance at the doubles point.

Bottom line, PMac's resolute arrogance gained him this embarrassing loss and he'll learn that the doubles are the deciding factor a lot of the time.

BUT, to address your last point, PMac did gather the best available team (doubles notwithstanding). Agassihole and Sampras refuse to play. Roddick is injured. Todd Martin is celebrating the birth of his first son. Gambill chickened out. And that leaves Blake, Fish, Dent, and Ginepri.
 

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Not to be pedantic, but it's Croatia, not Yugoslavia (I should imagine most Croatians aren't keen on being labelled as Yugoslavs - I believe that's how Goran first created a stir in the early 90s by insisting he play under the flag of the newly-created Croatian state).
I was about to address the same point.

Cat, do you not read the news? Yugoslavia, as a state, no longer exists. Furthermore, Croatia broke away from Yugoslavia 12 years ago :rolleyes:

Yugoslavs Shrug Off Their Country's End
By Daniel Williams
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, February 5, 2003; Page A20


BELGRADE, Serbia and Montenegro, Feb. 4 -- The country that gave the world Tito, Cold War nonalignment, the Yugo car and a lesson in how a European multi-ethnic country could live as one and how it could be smashed, is no more.

What's left of threadbare Yugoslavia changed its name to Serbia and Montenegro today and adopted a new legal charter. The federal parliament ratified previous decisions from assemblies in both republics, thereby ending a tumultuous history.

The news was received with indifference here. In effect, Yugoslavia died when four of six republics seceded more than a decade ago. Slovenia got out without much fighting and Macedonia exited peacefully. But Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina left only in the midst of horrendous ethnic warfare.

Serbia, under Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, remained, upholding the myth of a federal Yugoslavia. Yet all the while it tried to create Serbs-only territories in neighboring lands through military force. Montenegro made a few feints at leaving, but under pressure from the European Union, is staying with Serbia in the new and awkward union.

Kosovo, composed largely of ethnic Albanians, remains formally an autonomous province of Serbia within the new creation, but since the 1999 NATO-led war on Yugoslavia, is independent in all but name.

"It's not important what this country is at all," said Ognjen Pribicevic, a political analyst. "It's mainly a European idea to keep Serbia and Montenegro together, just to stop the further disintegration of southeast Europe. Better late than never, you might say."

It's an odd fit of unequal parts that will have more autonomy than under the Yugoslav model. Serbia without Kosovo holds a population of 10 million; Montenegro, just 600,000. Serbia's official currency remains the dinar, but Montenegro uses the euro. The national army will remain intact, and there will be a single president here in Belgrade, the once and future capital. But the president will be in charge only of defense, foreign affairs and general economic planning. The real day-to-day decisions on daily life will be in the hands of the Serbian and Montenegrin legislatures.

The plan provides for each population to get a chance to leave the union by referendum within three years, so longevity is not guaranteed. Left in the dust is an idea of a unified Balkans region, a concept born in the 19th century and made real after World War I, when the Kingdom of Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia was formed. In 1929, it changed its name to Yugoslavia. Its founding principle was that the population was a single people related by language and culture, a myth.

First the myth was kept alive by a king, and then by a Communist dictator, Josip Brod Tito. But as communism short-circuited throughout Eastern Europe, nationalist passions swept the Balkans. "Ethnic cleansing" replaced the Yugoslavia idea.

"Twelve years ago, if you asked me, I would say I was a Yugoslav person," said Dragan Djilas, 35, an advertising executive. "I was surprised that it fell apart so quickly. Now, I've taken the Serb option. I'm Serb. This new country is a stupid thing."

Tonight, the Yugoslav president, Vojislav Kostunica, was supposed to appear for the early evening declaration of the new country, but without explanation, he stayed away. He will lose his job in March when the parliament votes in a replacement from Montenegro. Speaker Dragoljub Micunovic announced the new entity's creation to light applause: "I hereby declare the constitutional charter of Serbia and Montenegro adopted."

On the streets of Belgrade, it was hard to get anyone to comment on what was, officially at least, a historic day. One young man said he felt "no emotion whatsoever." His girlfriend said she "didn't know it was happening today."

Yet it was possible to find lingering nostalgia for Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavs took pride in standing up to the Soviet Union. Never mind that Tito operated his own political prisons and torture chambers. Non-alignment gave Yugoslavia political cachet beyond its borders. In 1984, it hosted the Sarajevo Olympics; its automobile industry enjoyed a brief export boom that put Yugos on the streets of many countries. And until the 1990s, its people enjoyed a higher standard of living than their neighbors.

"There will be no Yugoslavia, but there will be Yugoslavs," predicted Stevan Mirkovic, 76, who was Yugoslav army chief of staff before the breakup of the country. "A mother dies but the sons live on."

But Branka Prpa , a historian, suggests that it's time to leave all that behind. She opposes the new union on the grounds that Montenegro and Serbia might as well try to make it on their own. "Dissolution should go all the way," she said. "Finish it."


© 2003 The Washington Post Company
 

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Not to be pedantic, but it's Croatia, not Yugoslavia (I should imagine most Croatians aren't keen on being labelled as Yugoslavs - I believe that's how Goran first created a stir in the early 90s by insisting he play under the flag of the newly-created Croatian state). [/QUOTE


And now Yugoslavia is kaput. It's now 2 countries...Serbia and Montenegro.
 

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PMac has been ignoring the Bryans bros for so long and I guess he dare not to call them up when he really need them after getting the cold shoulder from JMG. He basically painted himself into the corners when he said he only need more young, single players.

Of course, he doesn't have much help from his top players prefer not to play and/or injuried. It is really funny that US is so big on patriotism while their players are so reluctant to represent their countries.
 

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Sjengster said:
Not to be pedantic, but it's Croatia, not Yugoslavia (I should imagine most Croatians aren't keen on being labelled as Yugoslavs - I believe that's how Goran first created a stir in the early 90s by insisting he play under the flag of the newly-created Croatian state).

There's nothing pedantic about it! We broke away 12 years ago, and there was a war that lasted for more then 5 years and made every media headline in that period, and after. What do you think how I feel still being called a Yugoslav after all this time?!


*sighs* But I'm sure cat has a resonable excuse for his slip. (And I'm not even being sarcastic about it.) :(
 

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I don't have a problem with Sampras and Agassi declining to play. They've put in their time and I like seeing new faces in DC. Although I do wonder what results could have been posted if the mix of vets/GS champions and newcomers combined to play.

Big ups to Croatia. Ivan was a one-man wrecking crew over the weekend. And I'm so happy to see Goran again! :hearts:
 

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bah. I forgot to coment on the thread topic itself. lol

I don't much like PMac (that's an understatement), but not like he has top players lining up to play Davis Cup (for whatever reason that is).
 

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to answer the question of the thread. no Pat is not the worst DC captain. his brother was much worse.

as for the Android and Baldy. personally i think Baldy more than paid his DC dues in the past, even going to Zimbabwe and playing that memorable match even tho' he was sick like a dog afterwards. no i don't think it's fair to criticise Agassi for not playing DC any longer.

and while i think the Android could have given a bit more of his time in the past, getting to #1 and staying there took priority for him back then and now it's way too late. he doesn't have enuf hair left...:eek: :eek:

which leaves the team that Pat had to choose from. Dickhead had no wrist after Younes was thru battering him (alltho' Younes played a tourny days later...go Younes!!!! :D ) but apparently Dickhead was spent.

also having snubbed the Bryans and Mr. Bollywood in the past, it would have sucked for Pat to rely on them now.

which meant that it was all up to James.

poor James. what a shitty shituation to find himself in. grrrrr...:mad: :mad:
 

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Bryan brothers haven't played ... why? I'm sure he hasn't invited them, because I remember Patrick saying during last year US Open that brothers are not at the high enough level to play for the US team. I'm sure they are definitely better than Bkale/Fish.
I agree that PMac should stop overlooking the Bryan Brothers. I think USA needs them for doubles. And i think Dent should have played in the doubles match alongside Blake instead of Fish. he had the bigger serve and cleaner volleys. He even played pretty well today in singles and almost beat Ancic.

Pat McEnroe may not be great but at least he's better than his bro.
 

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From what I've read, Pat didnt' take Croatia seriously enough. It sounds like he didn't think there was anyway that the USA should have lost.

Maybe he shouldn't have spent the past couple years snubbing Gambill for other great American players like...Mardy Fish? I also recall when he didn't even bother to ask Gambill to play on grass in the USA :rolleyes:

As for the Bryan brothers - from what I have read about them, it's one of their dreams to play Davis Cup. They've earned it imo, and hopefully Pat will select them in the future.
 

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i have no problems with Gambill being left off the team. he has been inconsistent and unreliable in the past. i wouldn't have picked him either.

but the snubbing of the Bryan brothers has long been unacceptable.

poor James...:(
 
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