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Is Nadal a pusher

  • Yes, he is a pusher

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He is defensive yes, but I don't think he's a pusher. If the ball lands short he absolutely crushes it.

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He limits pace on the forehand to cause errors from the opponent, so he has that aspect of a pusher. Against most of the top 10, Dull usually has the lowest winner count. He plays with the most net clearance of top players.

Another big part of why Dull does so well in BO5 is because he can outlast his opponents. That's another indication of a pusher.

While Dull can hit pretty hard, his gameplan is not from an attacking mindset. He capitalises on chokes, mistakes, disgusting retrieving, and miracle passers.

If you want an example of a pusher winning against a superior attacker, watch Federer vs Nadull AO'09.
 

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In my opinion no.

His game is pretty one-sided since he don't need the variety to win, although he is capable to change his game when he is in a loing position. He is making easy shots, but with the bouncing and with his good placement, his shots is hard to return and with this he is forcing you to make errors, but he is doing a hard job for this. When he got a short ball he usually starting to attack, but he is not so talented at this, like the great offensive players, JMDP (he barely miss a short ball, always hits winner), Federer.

To sum up, his spinning moonballs are easier to hit than a clear winner, but almost as hard to return without an error all the time. Watching old points from his matches against Fed, he is controlling the points with this type of play.
 

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Yes. Clown has the best physique ever but plays a disgusting defensive antitennis
Dull even against Ferrer barely makes 10 winners per match
 

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before 2009, yes. After 2009, he reduced from 100% pusher to around 70-80% pusher, sometime only 40% if the opponent too weak or too scare.it's largely due to his knee didn't allow him to push forever, but for sure the guy love to push.
 

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His name.self indication of what he's Dull!
 

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He's not exact pusher but he's 80% pusher IMO. He has 0 variety except moon balling to backhand.

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For sure he is a pusher. He only plays aggressive tennis vs inferior competition, but when he runs into real talent he reverts to push mode. This old post of mine illustrates well:

I calculated some stats for the AO this year out of curiosity. I looked at Nadal and Wawrinka and calculated the amount of points they won passively (through opponent's UE) and the amount that they won actively (either by winner or forced error).

No surprise, Nadal won just 55% of his points actively and 45% passively. The interesting thing is the percentage of points won passively for Nadal by round:
R128: 27%
R64: 29%
R32: 58%
R16: 40%
QF: 45%
SF: 49%
F: 58%

Total: 45% passively, 55% actively

Look at that trend! The harder the competition gets, the more he pushes! He pushed especially hard against Monfils and Wawrinka.

Now let's look at Wawrinka:
R128: 28%
R64: 28%
R32: N/A
R16: 19%
QF: 40%
SF: 39%
F: 30%

Total: 32% won passively, 68% actively

Wawrinka didn't have a clear pattern, and relied just about as much on opponent errors in the final as he did in his first match, indicating that he consistently plays aggressive tennis whereas Nadal relies more and more on opponent's UE as the competition gets tougher.

Wawrinka also lost 42% of his lost points by UE, while Nadal lost only 32% of his lost points by UE. Clearly Wawrinka plays higher risk tennis - as we all already know.

Let me know if you have any feedback or requests for other comparisons.
 

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He limits pace on the forehand to cause errors from the opponent, so he has that aspect of a pusher. Against most of the top 10, Dull usually has the lowest winner count. He plays with the most net clearance of top players.

Another big part of why Dull does so well in BO5 is because he can outlast his opponents. That's another indication of a pusher.

While Dull can hit pretty hard, his gameplan is not from an attacking mindset. He capitalises on chokes, mistakes, disgusting retrieving, and miracle passers.

If you want an example of a pusher winning against a superior attacker, watch Federer vs Nadull AO'09.
Did you have a mental meltdown? Never read so many good things about Rafa coming from you.

Back to question, hes in the midle. Hes not a 100% pusher like the real pushers. And hes not a Baseliner like the best of the baseliners.

Hes plays more into the opponets errors or mistakes just Like Italy plays soccer.

My problem with Rafa sometimes is he doesnt take advantage of certain times when he has the ball and can make the point and continues to hit tha ball to same place.
 

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When he is returning 2nd serves he is definitely a pusher. He stays 3 to 4 m behind the baseline he returns the ball around the service box and waits the server to attack him. Pushing at its finest!
 

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It's literally impossible to "push" the ball and get as many revolutions on it that Nadal does.
 

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Even when bucttpicker makes some winners, these winner are mostly passing shots from extremely defensive positions
 

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Even when bucttpicker makes some winners, these winner are mostly passing shots from extremely defensive positions
He must be playing epic net gimps if he can push winners past them from extremely defensive positions.
 
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