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I have always thought about this. Either Andy loses to a hardhitter hot on the day along the way Cilic, Wawrinka, Berdych The Don :D etc. Or he struggles against top players like Fed, Nole and Nadal the first 2 more offensive aswell. Maybe his biggest chance is against Rafa on HC if he can play like in Tokyo for 5 sets. The mental aspect is a factor also maybe in Wimbledon mostly.

3 Finals and 0-9 in sets to more skilled offensive players with a solid def..

I can't help to think of Wozniacki aswell as comparison...

I don't like Murray that much but i am not trying to talk him down. I just can't see him winning more then 1-2 Slams tops if he is a little lucky and all clicks compared to the others :confused:...
 

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Well playing the way he does if he is to win a Grand Slam it's clear it'll not only depend on his level but also the other top guys'. Whereas with the likes of someone who plays like Federer generally he can win Grand Slams regardless of anyone else's.

Andy's game is more than good enough to win a few Grand Slams, but to win anything more than a few, even as a fan I don't really see it.
 

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I like Murray´s chances in Australia next year.

But, let´s imagine he can get into Melbourne final again. Against every top player he won´t be a favourite.
 

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If that's the case, I'd say the hardhitter hot on the day style is the non-slam factor considering their lack of success in comparison to Murray. Unsure why he's the only one being scrutinized when other majorly talented players are doing far worse overall and in slams.
 

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and what was at that US Open 2008 that you all talk about....he got DESTROYED in the FINAL......he got lucky in the SF that Nadal was worn out
bullshit. he got beaten but he showed he has an attacking game. He wasn't experienced enough to compete with JesusFed back then.
 

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and what was at that US Open 2008 that you all talk about....he got DESTROYED in the FINAL......he got lucky in the SF that Nadal was worn out
He outplayed Nadal, fair and square, debate over Big 3 Gloryboy.

It isn't style of play as much as mental frailty, the world's top 2 have managed to get by playing brick wall tennis.
 

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He outplayed Nadal, fair and square, debate over Big 3 Gloryboy.

It isn't style of play as much as mental frailty, the world's top 2 have managed to get by playing brick wall tennis.
well Fed isnt playing brick wall tennis and still is beating his ass
 

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Well, he is kinda unique there - 21 titles/8 Masters and 0 sets won in slam finals :)
No need to spit the stats at me, I know all too much about his successes and failures over the 7 years I've followed him. But I take your point.
 

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he has the game to win a slam but the problem really is his mental, he always had that issue if he continues to have that issue it will affect his game and he'll be downgraded into a useless defensive pusher instead of a offensive grinder
I'm afraid you are right there :sad: The pressure seems to get to Murray more than the other top players :tears:
 

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Mugray is a mental midget, that's why he can feast on MM titles to maintain his rank but fails in slams. Who cares that he "can play offensively" when he turns to a counterpunching mug on the big stage?
 

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Well playing the way he does if he is to win a Grand Slam it's clear it'll not only depend on his level but also the other top guys'. Whereas with the likes of someone who plays like Federer generally he can win Grand Slams regardless of anyone else's.

Andy's game is more than good enough to win a few Grand Slams, but to win anything more than a few, even as a fan I don't really see it.
Other than Nadal. And Djokovic. And Safin.
 

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Murrays attitude is the problem here,not his game .Until he learns to take responsibility for his mistakes on the court instead of blaming his camp in between matches ,he wont win a slam .If he changes that attitude then he wont crumble in the bug stage and that will give him a 50-50 shot at the title .

He does need a forehand though to finish points quickly in the early rounds
 

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Many speak of the mental aspect and i think you are right. I am to pretty annoyed of his junior antics on court talking outloud whenever he misses a shot like the opponent couldn't possibly have hit that shoot bla bla..

I think his serve still is a weakness even if he produces a respectable amount of aces and servicegames hold etc. The 1st serve can still dip to lower 40.s on any given day. Add to that his weak 2nd serve.
 
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