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Is Federer underachiever?

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He is on clay. Had all the skills to beat Nadal but was surprised to see some of his better shots coming back, which resulted in mental doubts. Djokovic on the other hand showed how it could be done, despite not being a better clay courter than Federer.
 

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From 1st February 2010 to 28th Jan 2017 he won one slam. Only one win at Wimbledon in seven attempts. Generally a frustrating period where Djokovic worked out how to beat him in grass and he simply messed up many winnable matches in semi final and finals at other slams. Made four straight AO semi finals between 2011-14 but didn't win a single one.

So certainly underachievement in that period regardless of the levels of others. Nadal dominated him on hardcourt in that period, now it's reversal despite Nadal remaining at high level last few years.
 

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Was Pete Sampras an overachiever? Was Rod Laver and underachiever?

This may be the silliest question in MTF history. Give this cat an award.
 

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Definitely underachieved

Choke at least 5 winnable slams and countless other masters/WTF and then there was the wastage of 2 years between 2001 and 2003 Wimbledon's where he should've already started winning slams
 

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Definitely underachieved

Choke at least 5 winnable slams and countless other masters/WTF and then there was the wastage of 2 years between 2001 and 2003 Wimbledon's where he should've already started winning slams
Predictable....

You are not wrong

But fail to include all slams won with F all competition and a choker called Roddick :(

So yes an over achiever slightly.... prob by about 4 slams net total
 

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In the sense of mental strength and overcoming tight, and pressure situations he certainly is an underachiever. Especially in 2005-2008 where he threw away so many winnable matches against nadal on clay. And from 2011-2015 where he threw away a ton of winnable Matches against djokovic.

but in the sense of skill he certainly is an overachiever. Think about it that way. All aspects of the game like serve, forehand, movement, Defense, fitness, netplay had to be so polished and over the top that he could compensate for his god-awful backhand which I consider to be one of the worst on tour for the last 20 years. I just rewatched the 2005 Miami fínal and even though he turned around the match, his backhand was in its most atrocious state ever. Alone in the first set he made 13 errors off that wing. 13! Any other player not named federer with a backhand performing like this would‘ve gotten triple ´bageled nadal that day.

so he was lucky in a sense that his overall skill could well cover up his atrocious backhand and still let him win so much. Except for nadal, who was the only to really know how to exploit his backhand for many years. Usually when his backhand was decent or good he could beat him. Sadly this wasn’t the case very often especially early in his career
 

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I don't know in what sense we're discussing whether Federer is an under- or over-achiever here, but one this is certain. If Nadal and Djokovic were a couple years younger or bloomed a couple years earlier respectively, Federe's GS tally would of been significantly smaller. No one can deny that Federer was lucky to have arrived in the scene way earlier than the other Big 3. Had they have started at the same time, Federer would be the one most affected in terms of the number of GS titles. Having said that, luck is part of the game. Even if Federer was lucky in some sense, he deserves what he has achived in his career. He simply successfully made the most of the weak era and brought himself where he is. You can say the same thing about other players who were in their prime in the same era. They may say they were unlucky to share their best time with Federer, but it's their fault. They shoulda found a way to beat him. No matter what, they deseve what little they have achived with or without Federer.
 

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He is on clay. Had all the skills to beat Nadal but was surprised to see some of his better shots coming back, which resulted in mental doubts. Djokovic on the other hand showed how it could be done, despite not being a better clay courter than Federer.
Djoker is a a better claycourter than Federer,
as evidenced by his 4 Rome titles and 2 Monte Carlo titles, and numerous clay court victories over Nadal.
He should have won RG in 2011 if not for the faster balls used, and a peaking Fed for the semifinal.
No doubt Djoker and Federer would have been multiple RG champions if it wasn't for Nadal, who would've thwarted anyone on this surface.
 

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Djoker is a a better claycourter than Federer,
as evidenced by his 4 Rome titles and 2 Monte Carlo titles, and numerous clay court victories over Nadal.
He should have won RG in 2011 if not for the faster balls used, and a peaking Fed for the semifinal.
Better mentally, but that's it. Fed at Rome '06 would have beaten peak Djokovic, and ended his invincible season at RG 11. 'Faster balls' is a myth. But credit to Djokovic, he proved Nadal was not superhuman on clay, and Federer should have done the same.
 

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Underachiever but not by that much, should have 22 slam titles (US Open 2009 and Wimbledon 2019). I am convinced he would have won Wimbledon 2009 even from 2 sets down so this one remains his.
 

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but in the sense of skill he certainly is an overachiever. Think about it that way. All aspects of the game like serve, forehand, movement, Defense, fitness, netplay had to be so polished and over the top that he could compensate for his god-awful backhand which I consider to be one of the worst on tour for the last 20 years.
 

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the funny thing is that loony toon is a big fed tard but is way more critical of Rogie than me, but the Federesian horde only ever attacks me and not him
 
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