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I often read Berdych categorized as a "big hitter" and considered as similar to Del Potro and Söderling.

I personally do believe that it's more complicated than that : I would put him between Federer and Del Potro/Söderling.

Berdych has more variety and also uses more the opponent's pace to counter like Federer.

He's less powerful than Del Potro and Söderling, uses hardly any spin while the other two use more spin (less Söderling on the backhand), and he uses more changes of pace with accelerations like Federer.

He has more mobility.

I remember that I found the match against Söderling in SF of RG 2010 as an interesting example in that matter.

Last week against Del Potro, they showed that Del Potro had played 75% of his shots cross-court ... while Berdych had only played 50% of them : his mind is more about variation.

Of course he's not like Federer either : I would say he's a special kind of player between those two kinds of players.

Maybe some people who know technique better than me can describe it better ;)
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

I wouldn't say he's less powerful than DelPo and Soderling. In fact, I think he hits the ball harder (because he hits it flatter) and his pace generation is just stunning.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

I do not see any similarity between them, if not the size.
Out of the 3, I think Berdych's forehand is the best when he is in good form. Delpo hits the best backhand and Soderling is just a hair worse than them. Soderling has the least variety but he attacks the most.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

I would say. Berdych looks the Classier of the three.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

I wouldn't say he's less powerful than DelPo and Soderling. In fact, I think he hits the ball harder (because he hits it flatter) and his pace generation is just stunning.
I have another way to think of those things : a hard shot with more spin is more powerful in my mind than a flat shot, it drives more energy.

Also I think Del Potro and Söderling can better create their own pace/energy while Berdych uses more the opponent's energy.

But you bring an important point I had forgotten to write : he hits very flat whereas Söderling and Del Potro use more spin (less Söderling on the backhand)
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

That's the main problem with Delpo now. He hits with way too much spin, results in moonballs. He should hit it a bit flatter in order to hit winners with it.
Berdych has the best forehand not just out of this 3, but in the world, when he is playing really well. Similar to Federer's forehand, but flatter and more powerful.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

That's the main problem with Delpo now. He hits with way too much spin, results in moonballs. He should hit it a bit flatter in order to hit winners with it.
Berdych has the best forehand not just out of this 3, but in the world, when he is playing really well. Similar to Federer's forehand, but flatter and more powerful.
I feel like you that Del Po currently hasn't found back his best flatter forehand which used to be lethal, but I personally do feel that that one may even be better than Berdych's ;)

And most importantly, the fact that he can also play a more spinny forehand makes that overall, I feel that his forehand is overall better than Berdych's.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

Berdych is a slower, less charismatic, less mentally tough, less tactical Safin. Soderling is the best mover out of these three, then Berdych, then JMDP. Del Potro is a freak of nature who is freakishly talented. All of them can beat anybody on any given day but are prone to overhitting and are susceptible to consistent, fast baseliners.

I guess the one thing that these guys have in common is that if court conditions suit them, they can overpower the very best players.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

Berdych is a slower, less charismatic, less mentally tough, less tactical Safin. Soderling is the best mover out of these three, then Berdych, then JMDP.
I thought Berdych moved better than Söderling.

I think Safin could also hit his baseline shots with spin, he could vary better spin and flat imo.

Safin was more talented imo :shrug:

As for mental toughness, I think Berdych has reached a very good level in recent years, Safin looks too hard to define as for mental toughness to me :lol:
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

It's a funny topic this because ppl just make stuff up about these three.

(pick one big hitter) has the best/worst forehand
(pick one big hitter) is the best/worst mover
(pick one big hitter) has the most/least variety

Truth is each got there own style. ALL OF THEM have awesome forehands. All of them are great movers (how can some say Soderling is a bad mover? have you seen how smooth he moves on clay?, same with Berdy and Delpo actually)

All have great serves when it's on but Soderling clearly has the most power. That he serves the hardest probably means he hits the hardest from the baseline too. Simple logic

Del Potro has the best defense. He is most patient and best at recovering from wide out positions. This is something he uses very well when playing other big hitters

Berdych/Soderling are more similar too each other than they are to Del Potro. All players are different but Del Potro has a defensive dimension in his game he can make use of in certain situations.

Soderling/Berdych tend to crank up the heat instead and try to go more for the net when things aren't working which often leads to the "Berdych/Soderling have horrible volleys" when it's more a consequence of the power in their game. When you hit hard you get the ball back hard. Those type of returns are very difficult to control at the net because they get less time and less margin for error.
 

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Well that goes to show how little mental toughness Berdych has! :) Not that I'm being facetious or anything but Safin made it to 4 GS finals and won 2 at a younger age than Berdych. Safin has more MS than Berdych and he survived match point against Federer to beat Lleyton Hewitt in his own backyard. He also took out Pete Sampras in NYC, in front of a partisan crowd. He took out Guga at the French when Guga was defending champ and then he proceeded to knock out Agassi. These are not easy things to do! Berdych didn't even show up for his Wimbledon final with Rafa, he was too mentally cowed by the occasion.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

Berdych/Soderling are more similar too each other than they are to Del Potro. All players are different but Del Potro has a defensive dimension in his game he can make use of in certain situations.
I personally think that there's more similarity between Söderling and Del Potro than between Söderling and Berdych, that's why I created this thread. Although yes, they all have their own game style and probably Söderling has some points where he's more similar to Berdych than to Del Potro.

Maybe he's a little bit between the two of them :shrug:

You're right that Del Potro's defensive skills are clearly something specific.

Anyway it's interesting to look at that from different points of view ;)
 

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It's a funny topic this because ppl just make stuff up about these three.


Del Potro has the best defense. He is most patient and best at recovering from wide out positions. This is something he uses very well when playing other big hitters
Err, no. Soderling has the best defense. Del Potro is pretty terrible at covering drop shots and slices.Exhibit A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq33L8K2mVs
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

Err, no. Soderling has the best defense. Del Potro is pretty terrible at covering drop shots and slices.
yes but when they are taken far from the ball, Del Potro has an ability to defend or hit passing-shots, extending his body very far, which is specific.

It's also his main specificity to Cilic when I watch their matches together.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

Berdych is a slower, less charismatic, less mentally tough, less tactical Safin. Soderling is the best mover out of these three, then Berdych, then JMDP. Del Potro is a freak of nature who is freakishly talented. All of them can beat anybody on any given day but are prone to overhitting and are susceptible to consistent, fast baseliners.

I guess the one thing that these guys have in common is that if court conditions suit them, they can overpower the very best players.
Wow. :lol:
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

Err, no. Soderling has the best defense. Del Potro is pretty terrible at covering drop shots and slices.Exhibit A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq33L8K2mVs
No way. Del Potro's defence is the best BY FAR, that's why his slam count is 1 and the others 0 because defence these days is the number one asset required at the top of the game.

Berdych is a bit of a poor man's Safin. Some variety, great backhand but not at Safin's level and a forehand as good as Safin's.

Soderling is a flat ballstriker. A basher at times too, but his victory over Nadal was down to patient construction, moving him around side to side and then coming forward to finish the short ball. When he plays like that, he's one fearsome opponent.

Del Potro I find to be a more high percentage 'basher' as his shots are less 'risky' than the other two and often tend to find the middle of the court a la pusher-ish until he gets a short ball from his opponent. That's why I've never warmed to his style as I think it's quite uni-dimensional. The other two guys have more of a 'point construction' about them and that's why I prefer them.

You could add Tsonga as well given he hits hard at times too, but his backhand is pretty inconsistent but his net game is streets ahead of the others.

Talent wise it's hard to pick a winner.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

I don't know, I think that the guy who made it to two French Open finals beating Federer and Nadal on the way to each would be a good mover on clay. You could argue that JMDP won his slam on the fastest surface so his power rather than his defense is what let him beat Federer and Nadal in the same tourney. There are plenty of ways to look at it. I think Del Po has problems changing direction more than both guys but he's so good from the back of the court that it's difficult to wrong foot him.

Edited to add one last comment:

Soderling is 3-1 against Berdych on clay, 1-1 against Del Potro. All things being equal, I think he moves better than these two. Many might not agree and see my opinion as farcical which is fine with me, we all have our own viewpoints.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

I don't know, I think that the guy who made it to two French Open finals beating Federer and Nadal on the way to each would be a good mover on clay.
quite often, big hitters who don't move very quickly manage to do well on clay as they have more time to execute their shots.

The fact that the bounce is higher also can help them.

The most obvious example which has been shown recently was Isner, but there are many other examples.
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

player - emphasis

del potro - wrist

berdych - arm

soderling - arm

berdych's style is a little similar to soderling's but not to del potro's.....
 

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Re: Is Berdych's style really similar to Del Potro and Söderling ?

player - emphasis

del potro - wrist

berdych - arm

soderling - arm

berdych's style is a little similar to soderling's but not to del potro's.....
I thought you left MTF or something :confused::confused:
 
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