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Will rafa become tired of clay after this year?

  • Yes, Rafa will become tired of RG and clay in general. and focus on HC and grass

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I already think he is somewhat tired of clay, he has won too much there, counting 8 RG, 19 m1000 ( 8 mc, 7rome,4 mad) and 44 clay titles.

He already holds the most slam titles at any slam tournament in open era. 8 rg compared to 7 wimbledon of sampras/federer. If he wins a 9th Rg it will be already 2 over the runner up in this department. I think He will seriously become unmotivated afterall. I think he will focus more on winning on Hard courts or grass, and will take the clay season with a more relaxed approach.
 

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That's absurd. If he's really tired of clay, that could only mean he's tired of tennis in general and wants to retire. It's like Federer is tired of grass and he's looking to become a claycourter
they are not looking to become clay-courter and grasscourter respectively. But Fed already reached 5 rg finals and won 1. Rafa reached 5 wimby finals and won 2, its not like those guys cant win on non-clay, non-grass surfaces.

I think rafa will take more lightly the clay surface since next year (specially if he adds a 9th Rg crown year), to save more energies for other tournaments he hasnt won as often. Also there is a difference, rafa taking lightly clay gives him a lot more of energy saved for the rest of the season (considering clay is the most physically challenging surface and also the clay seasson last for over 3 months) compared to grass which tends to offer shorter-lenght matches and consist of only couple of tournaments (which only one of them really matters).
 

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Of course he isn't tired of clay. He is very passionate about tennis in general, but especially clay. That won't change and if he does I am sure that will be when he retires.

Also, cut the BS about it being the most physically demanding. Always with the lame excuses for Nadal not doing as well anywhere else. If it is the toughest physically, he should have no issues with other courts but he isn't good enough. Cheers.
 

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No, Nadal will only scale things back in the coming years and become a "clay court specialist" :lol:
He's a greater competitor than Haas, healthier, and less curious about things not tennis. What else can he do?
He'll be rolling in the clay until 40.
YOu heard it here first...
 

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I don't know what the effect would be, but regardless of what happens at RG his priority this year should be the indoor season. He needs to add Valencia to the schedule (drop Asia if necessary) and launch an all out assault on Paris + WTF.
 

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they are not looking to become clay-courter and grasscourter respectively. But Fed already reached 5 rg finals and won 1. Rafa reached 5 wimby finals and won 2, its not like those guys cant win on non-clay, non-grass surfaces.

I think rafa will take more lightly the clay surface since next year (specially if he adds a 9th Rg crown year), to save more energies for other tournaments he hasnt won as often. Also there is a difference, rafa taking lightly clay gives him a lot more of energy saved for the rest of the season (considering clay is the most physically challenging surface and also the clay seasson last for over 3 months) compared to grass which tends to offer shorter-lenght matches and consist of only couple of tournaments (which only one of them really matters).
Still doesn't make sense, if Rafa cares about tennis, he will care 100% about clay. If anything, he cares even more than before now that he's becoming a regular in South American clay events
 

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Of course he isn't tired of clay. He is very passionate about tennis in general, but especially clay. That won't change and if he does I am sure that will be when he retires.

Also, cut the BS about it being the most physically demanding. Always with the lame excuses for Nadal not doing as well anywhere else. If it is the toughest physically, he should have no issues with other courts but he isn't good enough. Cheers.
but you know with age physique isnt the same, all players start to have less physical performance fro 27/28+ compared when they were younger.

I'm not doing lame excuses, when did I say that rafa didnt win as much in HC because he was too busy on clay? And he has done pretty well regardless, he has reached 11 non clay GS finals including 5 wimby finals and 2 WTF finals. He just didnt have enough consistence on those finals compared to Clay ones. He also lost too many time in HC tournaments prior olympics 2008, trying to play on HC courts as if he were playing on clay, which gave him unnecessary upsets on later stages (tsonga, davidenko and gonzalez come to mind). I'm not making up for excuses, I just think that when rafa gets older he will have less energies and it will be more wise to focus on HC, grass or wherever the matches are shorter-lenght.
 

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Still doesn't make sense, if Rafa cares about tennis, he will care 100% about clay. If anything, he cares even more than before now that he's becoming a regular in South American clay events
Yes, but thats also because clay used/and is still his barometer. If he plays well there if gives him confidence to play well anywhere else.

South american countries are offering insane amount of money to bring the big names here, or you think rafa and nole came to south american exhos for no money and just charity, you wont believe how much money they got payed for a couple of matches played over here...
 

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If anything I think he might start playing even more smaller clay tournaments to get more free points. Clay will always be where he wins the most matches and I don't think he would ever choose to ignore it to focus on other surfaces. Toni admitted that they really wanted the AO this year so he could get the double career slam but he will be just as motivated for all the other tournaments. Even I can admit that his focus and the effort he puts into all matches is a good thing!
 

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OP, You are late. Rafa is already sick of clay courts. He has two objectives--Wimbledon and, more importantly, the WTF.

I expect Nadal to lose the French before the final and gear up for Wimbledon.

The amount of risk involved in prioritizing Wimbledon and the WTF is very large.
 

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If anything I think he might start playing even more smaller clay tournaments to get more free points. Clay will always be where he wins the most matches and I don't think he would ever choose to ignore it to focus on other surfaces. Toni admitted that they really wanted the AO this year so he could get the double career slam but he will be just as motivated for all the other tournaments. Even I can admit that his focus and the effort he puts into all matches is a good thing!
I dont mean necessarely now, but in 1-2 year when physique just cannot respong well on being focused on every tournament? what would you do? cut the more physically demanding tournaments and focus on the less-physically demanding (that afterall are about 60-65% of the tournaments in the atp tour) or would you keep playing everything with intensite to be burn out in june ?
 

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OP, You are late. Rafa is already sick of clay courts. He has two objectives--Wimbledon and, more importantly, the WTF.

I expect Nadal to lose the French before the final and gear up for Wimbledon.

The amount of risk involved in prioritizing Wimbledon and the WTF is very large.
Praying this is a joke otherwise it is just another pre emotive excuse from a Nadal fan ;)
 

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I just think that when rafa gets older he will have less energies and it will be more wise to focus on HC, grass or wherever the matches are shorter-lenght.
Clay is better for his knees, he said that himself many times, so it only makes sense he plays more on clay as he gets older. Besides, his style of play doesn't really favor shorter-length match, quite the contrary.
 

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I dont mean necessarely now, but in 1-2 year when physique just cannot respong well on being focused on every tournament? what would you do? cut the more physically demanding tournaments and focus on the less-physically demanding (that afterall are about 60-65% of the tournaments in the atp tour) or would you keep playing everything with intensite to be burn out in june ?
Well I guess that is for him to decide. But I personally think clay will always be the most special surface for him and that he will still give everything to all tournaments he plays, and if he can't do that anymore he will retire. People think him and Novak will retire younger than Roger due to their physical playing styles,but that might not be the case.
 

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Clay is better for his knees, he said that himself many times, so it only makes sense he plays more on clay as he gets older. Besides, his style of play doesn't really favor shorter-length match, quite the contrary.
Exactly. But the clay is better for the knees schtick is clearly just because he does better there. I laughed so hard when suddenly it was grass that was bad for his knees when for years the line was "HC is harder on my knees" :D
 

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Well I guess that is for him to decide. But I personally think clay will always be the most special surface for him and that he will still give everything to all tournaments he plays, and if he can't do that anymore he will retire. People think him and Novak will retire younger than Roger due to their physical playing styles,but that might not be the case.
I think it will depend how the your evolves. IF the new generation of slam winners and good players isnt getting any younger they will no retire anywhere soon. But if a new era is about to begin (with 2-3+ players being dominant and born in the 90's) they might play 2-3 years more and retire.

There are also players like fed who being acknowledged that their real chances to win are not that big (specially at GS) keep playing because they cannot imagine a life without doing that. If I were an atp tennis players I would play until Im 36/37 or whatever, because you have too much time left to do whatever you want on later stages of life. Thats why appreaciate what connors did, the guy gave half of his life to the sport.
 

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Exactly. But the clay is better for the knees schtick is clearly just because he does better there. I laughed so hard when suddenly it was grass that was bad for his knees when for years the line was "HC is harder on my knees" :D
I dont think all HC is harder for knees, but carpet certainly is.
 

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I don't think there is many signs of that, Dimitrov and Raonic are improving, but they are still far from any kind of dominance
Agreed. People keep expecting the like of Dimitrov to break through but so far it hasn't happened. People seem to be having their breakthroughs when they are older these days, like Stan the man.
 
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