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Each would have 1 FO - however Novak beat Rafa to win his.

Novak would have 12 clay titles, 7 of which are Masters + 2 RG Finals.
Fed has 11 clay titles, 6 of which are Masters + 4 RG Finals.
 

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I would give it to Novak. Not because he beat Rafa to win RG, but he won overall a bit more on clay, therefore was a bit better against the whole field.
Roger was just too consistent to reach RG finals in 2006-2011.
 

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Of course no.

Too easy to win Masters and Slams on clay when Nadal is losing twice to Fognini. Fed had to actually deal with PeakClayDal all the time.

He will have a better clay resume, if he wins multiple Roland Garros'.
 

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Yes because of the rafa straight setting. But you'll be told no because of the slam finals count. Can't control when you meet rafa at RG, only whether you beat him.
 

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I agree it would be very close if he won it this year, plus he did beat Nadal a few times at the Masters level as well to capture Rome/MC/Madrid etc. I noticed Joey is already mentioning Declinedal ^^^ hence the counter-argument.
 

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Resumes would be rather equal, but anyway Djokovic will have a better clay resume in the end.

However he's not a better clay player than Roger was. He benefited massively from Dull's decline on the surface.
 

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Of course yes, not even close. Federer needed Soderling to win RG while Djokovic is own creator of his tennis destiny breadsticking Rafa in 3rd set.
 

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Resumes would be rather equal, but anyway Djokovic will have a better clay resume in the end.

However he's not a better clay player than Roger was. He benefited massively from Dull's decline on the surface.
Because of one goat serving performance from Fed in FO-11 semi-final he is supposed to be the better clay courter?:superlol::superlol:
 

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Because of one goat serving performance from Fed in FO-11 semi-final he is supposed to be the better clay courter?:superlol::superlol:
If Djokovic, the best returner of the game, can't deal with a hot server ON CLAY, then yes he doesn't deserve to be called a better clay courter than Fed.

And Fed was a monster on clay at his peak (which 2011 wasn't).
I thought you 11 year olds were supposed to be good with the internet? Just search Federer-Nadal highlights from the early days, and you'll see both would have roasted Djokovic hard in this form.
 

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Because of one goat serving performance from Fed in FO-11 semi-final he is supposed to be the better clay courter?:superlol::superlol:
I too question this. Novak straight-setted Fed the following year at RG and no one mentions it. Yes, Novak had a higher peak in 2011 then in 2012 but one can argue his peak is now even greater and we're in 2015.
 

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Also important to note that Federer has never won Rome. Can't have a better clay resume without every big title

And as nsmv points out, Djokovic straight setted fed in 2012, about a month before his final slam. Only reason 2011 is brought up is because glory hog fed couldn't stand to see someone else win CYGS and keep winning streak going.
 

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Of course no.

Too easy to win Masters and Slams on clay when Nadal is losing twice to Fognini. Fed had to actually deal with PeakClayDal all the time.

He will have a better clay resume, if he wins multiple Roland Garros'.
That's The correct answer. But none of them are really on the map until they win at least three FOs.
 

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Close but Djokovic is better on paper. For me, Federer has the higher peak on clay (see 2011).
So one match out of 8 they've played decides who has the higher peak? :confused:
 

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Just search Federer-Nadal highlights from the early days, and you'll see both would have roasted Djokovic hard in this form.
Are you talking about the early days when Fed was taken to cleaners by Gasquet?:lol::lol:You have flag of France in your profile, you surely must know Gasquet. He's the same guy who took 6 games off Djokovic 3 days ago:spit::spit:
 

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You'd have to say so.

Beating Nadal has nowt to do with it, btw. The Nadal that Soderling beat is on another level to yesterday's. Djokovic would have 7 clay masters to 5 (and have won all three whereas Federer's only won one technically, as Madrid and Hamburg are simply the same slot)
 

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So one match out of 8 they've played decides who has the higher peak? :confused:
Only if Fed, who had by that point been to 3 RG finals, won it. If djokovic won, weak era, declinerer, #jesuisbernardes, edberg award for finger wagger, goat
 

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I too question this. Novak straight-setted Fed the following year at RG and no one mentions it. Yes, Novak had a higher peak in 2011 then in 2012 but one can argue his peak is now even greater and we're in 2015.
1) Novak was rusty after Fognini walkover.

2) Sometimes unbeaten streaks mess with player's mind and make them too nervous. Nobody seriously think that Federer was playing GOAT tennis in Hamburg-07, just Nadal was psychologically burned out because of 81-match winning streak on clay.
 

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You'd have to say so.

Beating Nadal has nowt to do with it, btw. The Nadal that Soderling beat is on another level to yesterday's. Djokovic would have 7 clay masters to 5 (and have won all three whereas Federer's only won one technically, as Madrid and Hamburg are simply the same slot)
I thought Fed won 6 Clay Masters - 4 Hamburg + 2 Madrid?
 

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Also important to note that Federer has never won Rome. Can't have a better clay resume without every big title

And as nsmv points out, Djokovic straight setted fed in 2012, about a month before his final slam. Only reason 2011 is brought up is because glory hog fed couldn't stand to see someone else win CYGS and keep winning streak going.
You're kidding right with comparing clay and grass, right? Can you please at least watch the matches or the tournaments? FO 2012 was one of the worst tournaments for Federer, he barely escaped injured Del Potro and had problems with Goffin as well. Couldn't hit through the players, it was very rainy in Paris and courts were slow.

For all you geniuses why Fed was much better than in 2011, it was a combination of:

a) He was an outsider for the first time since 2003 maybe, Djokovic and Nadal were clear favorites.

b) The balls that year were changed, they were heavier, which helped Fed, compare it with another years, these balls made it much quicker.

c) Federer's unreal serving performance, that many aces and free points even on second serve on clay, very impressive. It was maybe his best FO.

Fed wasn't able to repeat it in 2012 and Novak has been much better player on clay since 2011 except that one match where everything went for Fed. Novak beat him without problems the next because he was much better on clay, not because Fed hit some mythical peak. It's laughable, last year Gulbis beat him also in peak form? Because Fed made a final in Wimbledon last year and his performance wasn't much worse than in 2012 Wimbledon.
 
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