[ugotlobbed]

2-1 2-1 2-1 0-3? why does roddick already qualify?

 

[myrt]

I think they count players games won or sets lost....something like that.

 

[krakenzero]

If Federer beat Roddick in straights, and Gonzalez beats Davydenko in straights, the "games differential" of both games in addition must be at least 17 (for example, 6-2 6-1 and 6-2 6-2 = 4+5 + 4+4 = 17) for Gonzalez to qualify instead of Roddick.

 

[ugotlobbed]

yea but on atp they said roddick already qualified wtf

 

[R.Federer]

FedererGrandSlam has worked out all the details-- you can see it on the "Red Group Scenarios" thread first post.

 

[thelma]

...because... Roddick beat Gonzalez in the face-to-face

 

[Black Adam]

Head to head advantage over Gonzo. Same things if Fed and Gonzalez finish on same number of sets and wins Gonzo goes through as he leads head to head vs Federer (in this tournament)

 

[tennisluckyfree]

but if Gasquet beats Ferrer, and Nadal beats Djokovic today who'll advance? since Nadal has the H2H advantage over Gasquet, but Ferrer has H2H advantage over Nadal, and Gasquet has H2H advantage over Ferrer...

 

[Baghdatis72]

It's a bit confusing indeed

 

[FedererGrandSlam]

It is pretty simple actually.

You start by looking at the match record.
If two players are tied, you look at the head-to-head result.
If three players are tied, you look at the set record.
If all three players have different set records then you rank them accordingly.
If two of the three are tied in sets, you go back to head-to-head to rank these two.
If all three are tied in sets, then you go look at the game record.

 

[R.Federer]

but if Gasquet beats Ferrer, and Nadal beats Djokovic today who'll advance? since Nadal has the H2H advantage over Gasquet, but Ferrer has H2H advantage over Nadal, and Gasquet has H2H advantage over Ferrer...

If all three players have different set records then you rank them accordingly.
If two of the three are tied in sets, you go back to head-to-head to rank these two.
If all three are tied in sets, then you go look at the game record.

Source: FGS

 

[Pimmchanok]

but if Gasquet beats Ferrer, and Nadal beats Djokovic today who'll advance? since Nadal has the H2H advantage over Gasquet, but Ferrer has H2H advantage over Nadal, and Gasquet has H2H advantage over Ferrer...

Ferrer has advantage over both players

 

[R.Federer]

but if Gasquet beats Ferrer, and Nadal beats Djokovic today who'll advance? since Nadal has the H2H advantage over Gasquet, but Ferrer has H2H advantage over Nadal, and Gasquet has H2H advantage over Ferrer...

Ferrer has advantage over both players

No, if Gasquet beats Ferrer tonight then Ferrer has no advantage and (might) also not qualify for semis depending on other stuff

 

[Whistleway]

gonzalez goes thru.. h2h and i think it is gonna happen

 

[R.Federer]

gonzalez goes thru.. h2h and i think it is gonna happen

No, Federer goes through regardless of whether he wins in straights or in 3
Gonzalez goes through only if Federer is defeated AND Gonzo wins his match against Nikolay

So Federer's fate is frankly in his own hands. Gonzo's is not

 

[Melvins]

I think that only sets between Gonzalez, Federer anda Roddick matchs will count (matchs with Davy not count).

So, Gonzalez already finished with 2-3 (2-1 Fed; 0-2 Roddick) and Roddick have an advantage of 2-0. If Roddick loses tomorrow by 0-2, his record is 2-2, better than Gonzalez and qualifies in second.

If Federer win or Gonzalez lost, Federer will pass to semis (if win by 2-0 in first place). The only chance of Gonzo is win and wait for a Roddick's victory.

 

[sebastiagol]

Oh i see.. the first thing that is used to break the tie is the H2H.. not the set differentials

so.. whatt happen if Gonzalez lose against Davydenko.. and Federer lose against Roddick?

Gonzalez and Federer will be tied 1-1.. and the H2H give Gonzalez the advantage to go thru..

according to the rules that would be right.. isnt it??

 

[sebastiagol]

It is pretty simple actually.

You start by looking at the match record.
If two players are tied, you look at the head-to-head result.
If three players are tied, you look at the set record.
If all three players have different set records then you rank them accordingly.
If two of the three are tied in sets, you go back to head-to-head to rank these two.
If all three are tied in sets, then you go look at the game record.

rules

 

[ufokart]

Oh i see.. the first thing that is used to break the tie is the H2H.. not the set differentials

so.. whatt happen if Gonzalez lose against Davydenko.. and Federer lose against Roddick?

Gonzalez and Federer will be tied 1-1.. and the H2H give Gonzalez the advantage to go thru..

according to the rules that would be right.. isnt it??

Nope, cause Davydenko would also have 1 match won and if there are 3 players tied then the sets decide and even if Gonzalez lost in 3 and Roddick won in 2 Gonzalez would be out.

 

[OldSilentHill]

Everybody is wrong over here.

The ATP already decided that if 2 or more players are tied, the one/s with a better record against David Nalbandian will go ahead