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OK, so even aside from his epic mental collapse when going for the CYGS last year, Djokovic's record in US Open finals is remarkably bad for somebody whose favourite surface is hard courts.

Here are some aspects to consider:

i) He was lost twice as many US Open finals as he has won! For a hard-court ATG, that's a shocking stat.

ii) He has lost US Open finals to 5 different players (!).

iii) He has a losing record against Rafael Nadal in US Open finals, despite his mastery over his Spanish rival on hard courts elsewhere.

iv) His record in US Open finals compares miserably to that of his biggest rivals:

Djokovic 3-6
Federer 5-2
Nadal 4-1

v) Because of his US Open record, Djokovic has losing final records at two of the four slams. Whereas Roger, whom know-nothings insist on dubbing mentally weak, has very healthy winning records at three out of four.

Djokovic has had a long career with domination over a declining Roger since at least 2012 (6 years older) and almost total hard court domination of Nadal since 2013. He has had a golden opportunity to convert this superiority into US Open titles. And yet he has spectacularly failed, in a way that Roger, Rafa and indeed Pete never would have.

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OK, so even aside from his epic mental collapse when going for the CYGS last year, Djokovic's record in US Open finals is remarkably bad for somebody whose favourite surface is hard courts.

Here are some aspects to consider:

i) He was lost twice as many US Open finals as he has won! For a hard-court ATG, that's a shocking stat.

ii) He has lost US Open finals to 5 different players (!).

iii) He has a losing record against Rafael Nadal in US Open finals, despite his mastery over his Spanish rival on hard courts elsewhere.

iv) His record in US Open finals compares miserably to that of his biggest rivals:

Djokovic 3-6
Federer 5-2
Nadal 4-1

v) Because of his US Open record, Djokovic has losing final records at two of the four slams. Whereas Roger and Rafa have winning records at three out of four.

Djokovic has had a long career with domination over a declining Roger at least 2012 (6 years older) and almost total hard court domination of Nadal since 2013. He has had a golden opportunity to convert this superiority into US Open titles. And yet he has spectacularly failed, in a way that Roger, Rafa and indeed Pete never would have.

Discuss.
This is not true for Nadal. Nadal has winning records in finals in only 2 slams, not 3 slams. He is 2-3 in Wimbledon finals and 2-4 in AO finals.
 

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This is not true for Nadal. Nadal has winning records in finals in only 2 slams, not 3 slams. He is 2-3 in Wimbledon finals and 2-4 in AO finals.
Many thanks. Corrected now.
 

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For me USO is clearly the most prestigious Hard Court tournament in the world, historically and contemporary.

For me USO > AO. New York City > Melbourne.

Shocking that the player who many claims is the best player in history who ever walked out on a hard court has such a lousy record in NYC.
And three titles over a long career with all that modern medicine has to offer.
 

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If Federer hadn't lost 3 Wimbledon finals to Djokovic, he would have a legit chance of being the grass goat.
This is true because Wimbledon is the only major that is still being played on grass. Federer did beat Djokovic in 2012 though, but an overall record of 1-3 is pitiful for somebody who is called grass GOAT.
 

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If Federer hadn't lost 3 Wimbledon finals to Djokovic, he would have a legit chance of being the grass goat.
OP basically asked for that burn. :spit: 😂 😂 😂
 

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If Federer hadn't lost 3 Wimbledon finals to Djokovic, he would have a legit chance of being the grass goat.
But Federer is 8-4 in Wimbledon finals.

Whereas Djokovic is 3-6 in US Open finals.
 

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This is true because Wimbledon is the only major that is still being played on grass. Federer did beat Djokovic in 2012 though, but an overall record of 1-3 is pitiful for somebody who is called grass GOAT.
The real question is why Djokovic failed to beat Federer on grass before 2014.
 

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And the greatest hard court player ever in the history of mankind stepped into the biggest hard court tournament in the world 16 times and only won 3.

The numbers simply don't add up. Whatsoever.
It's simply impossible to imagine Federer or Sampras with that kind of record.
 

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No. The real question is why Djokovic beat Federer 3-1 before Federer's injury in 2020. And the answer is simply because Djokovic is the better player on grass.
Lol, you think Djokovic having to wait till Fed was almost 30 before beating him on grass somehow burnishes his credentials?

Djokovic won his first grand slam in 2008. Where was he at Wimbledon in 2008 and 2009 and 2010 and 2012?

And that's not even to mention being straight-setted by Andy Murray in a Wimbledon final!
 

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Lol, you think Djokovic having to wait till Fed was almost 30 before beating him on grass somehow burnishes his credentials?
Being 30 or 35 does not change anything. Nadal and Djokovic have won 8+ titles after they turned 30. Djokovic primed in 2011, the same year when Federer turned 30. He did not even meet Federer until 2012. After they met however, it was 3-1.
 

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Being 30 or 35 does not change anything. Nadal and Djokovic have won 8+ titles after they turned 30. Djokovic primed in 2011, the same year when Federer turned 30. He did not even meet Federer until 2012. After they met however, it was 3-1.
So being over 30 does not change anything? But we all have to wait until Djokovic discovers his gluten allergy before records have meaning?

Don't make me laugh.

And if Djokovic is such a great grass courter, why in the name of goodness didn't he meet Federer in 2008 and 2009? And why did he lose to Berdych in 2010? And lose to post-prime Federer in 2012? And get straight-setted by Andy Murray in 2013?
 

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"Losing in finals" is a meaningless statistic. Would it be better if he had lost in QF or SF all those years and had a 3-0 record? No. Also it's his 3rd best slam. Nadal also has a losing record in his third and fourth-best slams, like Djokovic.
 

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"Losing in finals" is a meaningless statistic. Would it be better if he had lost in QF or SF all those years and had a 3-0 record? No. Also it's his 3rd best slam. Nadal also has a losing record in his third and fourth-best slams, like Djokovic.
Making the finals is impressive. It's why Fed is more consistent than both nole and rafa imo.
 
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