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If Djokovic goes on to win AO19 and RG19.. then for the second time in his career he would be holding all four slams. Neither Federer nor Nadal have achieved this feat even once. The only parallels remaining would be Rod Laver in the late 60's.

If this indeed happens, the GOAT argument for Novak at that point of time will be very hard to counter. Who'll deny him? Federer on a fast AO surface? Nadal on old faithful clay? Stan the man in his return? Hard to say.

But Novak has a very good chance to make it happen. He's rested, he's fit and he's mentally refreshed.

Interesting times ahead..
 

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Another RG title would make him the only one of these players to win the double career slam, too, which would be a considerable accomplishment even if he fails to take the next AO (well, it'd fail to be a unique achievement if Nadal took the next AO and Djokovic won RG, leaving Federer as the only one who without that feat in his CV).
 

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Forgot to mention, this happens Nole's slam tally will be at 16, just one less that Nadal. And from then on it would be a safe bet to assume Djokovic wins more slams than Nadal.
 

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Forgot to mention, this happens Nole's slam tally will be at 16, just one less that Nadal. And from then on it would be a safe bet to assume Djokovic wins more slams than Nadal.
Nole automatically goes ahead of Nadal then, on the back of the DCGS and 2 x NCYGS's.
 

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He surely can win AO.RG is a tough task, but he can win it if he will go slow in IW, Miami and clay masters.
I think he's more likely to get upset by a hot player (Cilic, Kyrgios etc.) on the fast courts of AO.

At RG, the only threat is Nadal, and Nadal has a trend of two strong years followed by a weak year. 2019 is right on cue for that.
 

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If Novak wins RG and AO then he goes above Nadal as the greater of the 2 imo despite having 1 slam less, a double career slam and holding all 4 slams at the same time twice more than compensates for the 1 less slam, but he'll still behind Federer in the GOAT race.
 

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If Novak wins RG and AO then he goes above Nadal as the greater of the 2 imo despite having 1 slam less, a double career slam and holding all 4 slams at the same time twice more than compensates for the 1 less slam, but he'll still behind Federer in the GOAT race.
Maybe, but not by much. And Djokovic would be expected to add more slams to his tally after RG19 than Federer.
First half of next year could be indeed historic.
 

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Maybe, but not by much. And Djokovic would be expected to add more slams to his tally after RG19 than Federer.
First half of next year could be indeed historic.
If he does achieve this by the end of RG then I think he eventually will surpass him, as long as he stays away from injuries and a certain nutjob guru.
 

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I think he's more likely to get upset by a hot player (Cilic, Kyrgios etc.) on the fast courts of AO.

At RG, the only threat is Nadal, and Nadal has a trend of two strong years followed by a weak year. 2019 is right on cue for that.
Unlikely by Cilic in best of 5.Best of 3 maybe, but that's not the subject here.
By Kyrgios - not in the million years, now with worse Kyrgios and better Nole not even in best of 3.

The biggest threats for Nole in AO would be Del Potro and Nishikori.Nole can't beet them forever, they are still very quality opponents.
NextGen and old nemesis like Wawrinka - not threat anymore for Nole.
 

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I think he's more likely to get upset by a hot player (Cilic, Kyrgios etc.) on the fast courts of AO.

At RG, the only threat is Nadal, and Nadal has a trend of two strong years followed by a weak year. 2019 is right on cue for that.
Unlikely by Cilic in best of 5.Best of 3 maybe, but that's not the subject here.
By Kyrgios - not in the million years, now with worse Kyrgios and better Nole not even in best of 3.

The biggest threats for Nole in AO would be Del Potro and Nishikori.Nole can't beet them forever, they are still very quality opponents.
NextGen and old nemesis like Wawrinka - not threat anymore for Nole.
Both Delpo and Nishikori have been underwhelming at the AO, for whatever reason. They are much better at the USO.
 

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Stop inventing arbitrary achievements for Djokovic to hang his hat on. Novak's DCGS shows that he won eight slams and that he's elite on all surfaces, nothing more. The NCYGS shows that he was dominant on all surfaces over a span of 12 months, nothing more. His tennis abilities are legendary and absolutely on par with those of Roger and Rafa, but he hasn't achieved as much as them yet.
 

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They both (Del Potro and Nishikori) can start to play well in AO finally, you never know.
Of course, this is hypothetically.But point is that at this stage in Novak's career, more dangerous opponent will be some quality player which has overwhelmingly negative H2H against him (not someone like Monfils or Gasquet of course).Novak will be much more motivated against Roger, Rafa, Wawrinka or someone from NextGen (they would have also their problems).And motivation is for this today's Novak - everything.
Murray will be dangerous for Novak also, but only after RG.
 

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Well, if you're first interested in streaks, Djokovic has never won the same slam more than three times in a row while Federer has twice managed five in a row. So a bigger difference there than four in a row twice (if it happens) to three in a row twice. Why does this count for less?
 

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Well, if you're first interested in streaks, Djokovic has never won the same slam more than three times in a row while Federer has twice managed five in a row. So a bigger difference there than four in a row twice (if it happens) to three in a row twice. Why does this count for less?
Because NCYGS requires you too win on all 3 surfaces, whereas Federer only managed to win slams on 2 different surfaces in a row, a substantial difference. If he would've won the surface slam (like RAFA did in 2010) than it would be a lot closer in that regard.
 

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Stop inventing arbitrary achievements for Djokovic to hang his hat on. Novak's DCGS shows that he won eight slams and that he's elite on all surfaces, nothing more. The NCYGS shows that he was dominant on all surfaces over a span of 12 months, nothing more. His tennis abilities are legendary and absolutely on par with those of Roger and Rafa, but he hasn't achieved as much as them yet.
Yep! We have already seen this with Nadal years ago - "first player to win 2 slams on 3 different surfaces'. It just shows you how ridiculous Roger's achievements are that fans/ media are inventing these achievements to try and get other ATG's on par or past Roger because they can't get to the numbers he has accomplished (as of yet - history is not over).

On the other hand both Djoker and Rafa should thank their lucky stars that they don't have a 26-28 yr old Roger/ Rafa/ Nole to contend with when they are 32+ like Fed had with prime/peak Djoker when he was 32-34. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
 

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Because NCYGS requires you too win on all 3 surfaces, whereas Federer only managed to win slams on 2 different surfaces in a row, a substantial difference. If he would've won the surface slam (like RAFA did in 2010) than it would be a lot closer in that regard.
This thread is not about Nadal.
 

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On the other hand both Djoker and Rafa should thank their lucky stars that they don't have a 26-28 yr old Roger/ Rafa/ Nole to contend with when they are 32+ like Fed had with prime/peak Djoker when he was 32-34. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
What should Roger do for not having to deal with 2 prime ATG when he was 23 /26 (winning 11 GS in a 4 year span) like both Novak and Rafa did ?
 
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