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Djoker is SAVING his rear. Stopped Nadal countless times in 2011-2012. Wimbledon last year. And most likely the Australian this year (and who knows maybe more this year). Fed's the luckiest dude ever. That slam record would have been left in the DUST a while ago


Got to amassed the majority of his slams in 2003-2007 during a transitional era. While Nadal always seems to have to play combination of Fed, Djokovic (Murray before) to win his. Nadal wasn't nearly as fortunate as Fed. Bottom line. No peaking Djokovic around in his way
 

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You can say this the other way Nadal stopped Djokovic uso 10,13 and countless RG. They all stop each other to works it's way out. Though hopefully Djokovic wins as it will make the slam record catchable for both which be interesting.
 

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You can also say that Federer got unlucky that after Djok/Nadal there came no player slightly in the same caliber. Federer had two of them in the generation after him.
 

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You can also say that Federer got unlucky that after Djok/Nadal there came no player slightly in the same caliber. Federer had two of them in the generation after him.
Well, Federer got lucky that he was winning bunch of slams before these 2 emerged and without any other noteworthy player on tour, while these 2 in their young years had peak Federer, and during their primes / peaks peak Wawrinka and Murray, plus they had each other almost all the time.
 

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You can also say that Federer got unlucky that after Djok/Nadal there came no player slightly in the same caliber. Federer had two of them in the generation after him.
And had a free pass the 4 years before. And yet never won RG . Hummm
 

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Nole also stopped Fed on many occasions when Rafa was no where to be seen, thus keeping the slam record in sight.

Round and round we go...
While it is true. Also it's debatable that Federer would have won 100% some of those times he lost to Djokovic. If it was peak Federer yeah, but in 2014-2015-2016 he could have lost to other players.
 

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While it is true. Also it's debatable that Federer would have won 100% some of those times he lost to Djokovic. If it was peak Federer yeah, but in 2014-2015-2016 he could have lost to other players.
Well, I am just pointing out the speculation in this thread is silly - street goes both ways.

Who would have stopped Fed in 2 Wimby finals, and USO 2015 where he was playing fantastic? - hard to think of anyone, but certainly could have happened.

As usual, MTF is full of hyperbole and recency bias which is what we have going on here as of late (not referring to your post here)
 

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Well, I am just pointing out the speculation in this thread is silly - street goes both ways.

Who would have stopped Fed in 2 Wimby finals, and USO 2015 where he was playing fantastic? - hard to think of anyone, but certainly could have happened.

As usual, MTF is full of hyperbole and recency bias which is what we have going on here as of late (not referring to your post here)
Cilic maybe? He destroyed Federer in USO 2014, so maybe he could have won in one of those slams. I believe Djokovic had to go through him in all of them. Maybe Anderson who took Djoko to 5 in Wimbledon (and beat Fed there last year). This was 33/34 year old Federer so he was prone to upsets, if it was a younger Federer yeah, he wasn't losing to those guys.
 

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While it is true. Also it's debatable that Federer would have won 100% some of those times he lost to Djokovic. If it was peak Federer yeah, but in 2014-2015-2016 he could have lost to other players.
Most of their matches have been Tournament or Slam finals, so this isn't really a question if Federer would win these tournaments after beating Djokovic.
 

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Nadal is 9-5 against Djokovic in grand slams, including 4-3 in finals (and this is their first final since 2014).

You act like it's the opposite, or even worse than the opposite.

They (including Federer) have all beaten one another a lot and didn't exactly overlap at their absolute peaks. It's just not that simple.
 

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lol at the translational era

what about this pathetic era

Where Dull and Faker are facing generation useless in semis
If nobody else, they still have each other. Federer before these 2 emerged had nobody (only baby Nadal on clay, who is a lesser player than these 2 currently are).
 

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So? He can still lose to other players.
How can he lose to another player if he defeats Djokovic at the USO final? Or do you mean the theoretical situation that Djokovic doesn't exist in that thought experiment?
 

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I'm too lazy to talk about weak era this weak era that again, but as I have stated in another thread, for the moment, Federer and his fans should be glad that Djokovic is back, or else they would have to see Nadal easily holding 3 slams at the same time, on 3 different surfaces, with just ONE slam behind Federer, and RG is next too.
 
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