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That would be true in the 90s. With surface homogenization it is not as important.
Still there are big difference on different surfaces and the adjustments are done yearly at least on hc. Nadal was still winning mainly on clay and Federer was grass god throughout the 00´s and some 10´s.
 

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Still there are big difference on different surfaces and the adjustments are done yearly at least on hc. Nadal was still winning mainly on clay and Federer was grass god throughout the 00´s and some 10´s.
Nadal has 4 uso. Roger has 5. Rafa and roger are atg in hard🤷‍♂️
 

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this wasn't brought up because many players skipped the Australian ....and Americans were notoriously terrible on clay and RG was out of question
 

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Hell, i dont even remember the slam record even being talked about until sampras started inching closer in 98/99. why is it the "holy grail" now all of a sudden?. All I remember hearing about being the holy grail at the time was the most Wimbledon titles When was this "calendar slam necessity" even a"thing?"
In the 90s, it didn't matter any of this. Borg was the best , period . Regarless of slams numbers or calendar slam and whatsoever . Winning RG and Wimby was enough for him cause each had their own difficulties unlike nowadays , the inflated era , remember ? Oh that only counted against Federer, right(n)?
 

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-It wasn't brought up in men tennis because it was considered impossible for the men
Back then grass was fast, serve and volley ruled the rankings, and a baseliner like Agassi winning Wimbledon was a freak occurrence that proved what a genius of returns with super reflexes Agassi was.
The normal thing was for serve volleyers to get destroyed on clay, and for people like Bruguera to get destroyed on grass (that is why his victory over Rafter on grass was very impressive, and that is why the success of Corretja on fast surfaces also made him very remarkable)
Borg could easily be considered the goat in the 90s because winning the French Open and Wimbledon the same year many times looked like a ridiculously impressive feat (now Nadal, Federer and Djokovic have done it).

-It was brought with regards to Steffi Graf, the biggest woman tennis player of the 90s, so it isn't true that it wasn't brought up.
 

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Now it is important as is the only way someone can say Djoker is not the GOAT as he was not able to achieve it. When all said Federe was the GOAT, nobody talked about CYGS, as Federer did not ever go near to it (was no even able to win the first 2 slams of the year!!!).
Had Nadal not existed, Federer would've won in 06 and 07. Hell, Federer would've won in 05 too had Safin not GOATed out of nowhere and even in that match Fed had 5-2 in the 4th set breaker with both serves in hand.

05 Fed ~ 06 Fed > 07 Fed

I'm not counting 04 Fed even though he won 3 slams that year because he was a mug on clay.
 

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Joe literally made CYGS a thing(even if you want to say it wasn't before) by completely capitulating in the match from set 1. It's like his feet were stuck in concrete the whole match.

In a non CYGS year, this would've been the typical Djokovic fanfare in 4 or 5 sets. Med gave him plenty of chances in the that 2nd set. Plus Joe was crying before the match even ended. I've never seen that from Joe, not even in that devastating RG 13 SF when he didn't have the CGS.

If anything, Joe grew the mystic and toughness of CYGS by orders of magnitude. Earlier there was some doubt(atleast in the modern era players) if a CYGS is the greatest achievement but now I feel it's a greater achievement than the slam record.

Even accounting for recency bias, players of the modern era have no excuse but to acknowledge CYGS the grand slam as the zenith of tennis after Joe's meltdown yesterday.
 

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He went very close to it, only one win short - for two years in a row. He wasn't losing Wimb and US had he won RG.

Nobody else has ever won 27 Slam matches in consecutive seasons - another notch on the GOAT belt.
Federer has only one season with 27 Slam match wins, 2006. In 2007 Wimbledon he received a walkover which is widely considered as not counting as a win.

Djokovic had 2 such seasons. Good to know that this matters in the GOAT context.
 

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Tennis gained popularity and the media in the mid-70's.

The most recent Open era performance was Laver Grand Slam in 1969

And in the late 70's-early 80's, a player was potentially capable of achieving the Grand Slam that then began in RG. Björn Borg.

For Borg, Channel RG-Wimbledon was no problem, the question was whether he would cross the New York wall to justify his trip to Australia in November.

This was not the case, and at the time the count of GS events or winning the 4 in a row over 2 seasons did not make sense.

Despite their status, other ATGs like McEnroe, Lendl or Becker, Edberg were not concerned by the GS.

The closest (Wilander and Courier) stopped at Wimbledon.

Then Agassi in 1999 became the first player since Laver to win the 4 GS events in his career.
At the same time, Sampras put Emerson's old GS record at 14.

At the dawn of the 21st century, this set other standards (I developed on another thread, the importance of Sampras and Agassi in this case.)
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In fact, 2 other quest, career slam and slam record (as the MS 1000 was born in 1990) have become if not important, at least achievable and this has set new objectives, of course maintained and often recalled by the media and relayed in social network today.

And the big3 for 15 years at one point has been a possible candidate to achieve GS.

In 2019, Laver was celebrated for the fiftieth anniversary of his GS.

And 2 years later, this year, Djokovic has been closer than ever to join him.

Logical that the Grand Slam is on agenda.

But probably, after big3, the record buzz will subside and each performance will be granted without being drowned out by the madness of greatness.
 

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When Steffi Graf won the Golden Slam in 1988, it was just boring. Everybody respected that huge achievement, but it wasn't good for tennis, as Steffi completely dominated the circuit.


I don't want anyone to win a Grand Slam ever again.
 

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If a player of Djokovic caliber, able to fight against hostile crowd and all that, in one of the weakest eras ever (semi retired Federer, washed up Nadal, next gen being next gen) couldn't get the CYGS (when it was clearly a priority for him), then this proves how difiicult of an achievement it really is, and it only speaks volumes of the legend of Rod Laver!
Djokovic should be proud though, being the second best player of all time is a very impressive feat. But obviously when we are talking about Rod Laver it's just another league altogether, GOAT
 

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it's because Djokovic was becoming the Goat of tennis in most big stat's in the game and overtook Federer biggest records. So they could not use Federer or Nadal anymore so here comes Laver to deny Djokovic Goat status. Western media can't stand great small war tour country Serbia having Goat like Djokovic over their greatest players Sampras, Laver Murray perry Jimmy Connors, Agassi ect. To bad for them Djokovic has Already ended the debate of Goat at least Federer, Laver right now. Only Nadal can Challenge Djokovic for Goat these days. ;) 🐐🏆
 

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This is of course a nonsense thread.

The very term "grand slam" was originally invented explicitly to describe winning all 4 (one slam was never called "a grand slam" like it is now called today — it was called a major, still called a major by most adults over the age of 50 or thereabouts).

Grand slam only referred to winning all 4 together (no one added the qualifier "calender" or CYGS and so on and so forth. Those are all very recent (internet era) developments in reacton to the slowly creeping renaming of one major "a slam".
 
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Hell, i dont even remember the slam record even being talked about until sampras started inching closer in 98/99. why is it the "holy grail" now all of a sudden?. All I remember hearing about being the holy grail at the time was the most Wimbledon titles When was this "calendar slam necessity" even a"thing?"
I can prove this is wrong
From the 1993 Seles Graf Australian Open

here they explain Graf won the golden slam and what it means, I linked to the exact moment

 
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