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Dirk, in your stubborn devotion to federer, it is admirable that you have the decency to admit you were wrong about nadal.

Nadal thoroughly deserved his title although I will remain a tad skeptical until he takes out at least one of the three musketeers on HC.

I would still be shocked if he won the USO.
 

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If you had told me after RG that he would win Montreal too, I might have thought that was being a touch hopeful. I wouldn't write him off either, though.

He's been damn impressive, at least that can't be denied anymore. Well, Wimbledon aside :yeah:
 
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I don't think you were the only one who underestimated him Dirk. I knew he could play on most surfaces but never thought he could win a Masters HC title, well not this year anyway.
 

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Props to Dirk. NOt too many other posters would admit to being wrong. The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. But Nadal is just a different animal. Not only does he get to every ball hit onto his side of the court, he gets it back over to the other side to at least a neutral position so there is no easy put aways. This is what gave Federer so much trouble in Miami. Then you have to admire how Nadal has tweaked his game for the hardcourts. He is hitting that lefty serve out wide beautifully and then taking the ball earlier and hitting it DTL. He is hitting this inside-out BH DTL wonderfully to finish off rallies. He only really needs to improve his volleys, return of serve and maybe put some more pop on his serve for more cheapie points. As it is, Nadal only lost two games on his serve the entire tournament because nobody could hit the ball past him and he controlled at least 75% of all the rallies. Agassi hit some really good shots consistently that would break down just about anyone else but he couldn't finish the points. He just coudln't get it past Nadal.
 

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NYCtennisfan said:
Props to Dirk. NOt too many other posters would admit to being wrong. The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. But Nadal is just a different animal. Not only does he get to every ball hit onto his side of the court, he gets it back over to the other side to at least a neutral position so there is no easy put aways. This is what gave Federer so much trouble in Miami. Then you have to admire how Nadal has tweaked his game for the hardcourts. He is hitting that lefty serve out wide beautifully and then taking the ball earlier and hitting it DTL. He is hitting this inside-out BH DTL wonderfully to finish off rallies. He only really needs to improve his volleys, return of serve and maybe put some more pop on his serve for more cheapie points. As it is, Nadal only lost two games on his serve the entire tournament because nobody could hit the ball past him and he controlled at least 75% of all the rallies. Agassi hit some really good shots consistently that would break down just about anyone else but he couldn't finish the points. He just coudln't get it past Nadal.
It wasn´t necessary to admit he was wrong cause it was pretty obvious and no other reaction would have been decent.

Apart from that, I heavily disagree at the statement The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. If u had watched Nadal´s matches in those hard courts in the past (apart from that Roddick anihilation) against Chela, Hewitt and Younes when he wasn´t even the half of a player he´s nowadays, it was pretty clear he had a great potential to do well there, but Federer´s shadow is too big for some of their fans to see this. Nadal will do fine everywhere (including grass) except indoors as I said a lot of months ago and it´s not something surprising to see him winning a TMS in hard court, more to come soon ;)
 

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Dirk said:
I said he would not win a hardcourt title this year and was soundly proven wrong this week. He was in great form and translated his game and skills seamlessly. He is a USO contender for sure.
Good for you for seeing the error of the ways and being brave enough to say so, so are Montreal and Miami clay events now?
 

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If u had watched Nadal´s matches in those hard courts in the past (apart from that Roddick anihilation) against Chela, Hewitt and Younes when he wasn´t even the half of a player he´s nowadays, it was pretty clear he had a great potential to do well there, but Federer´s shadow is too big for some of their fans to see this. Nadal will do fine everywhere (including grass) except indoors as I said a lot of months ago and it´s not something surprising to see him winning a TMS in hard court, more to come soon ;)
No matter how many times you explain it and repackage it, some people will refuse to believe it and make poor excuses when it does happen, Dirk was good enough to accept it and that is something positive.

Indoors well it will take him longer, but he'll find a way to win there as well. I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.
 

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No matter how many times you explain it and repackage it, some people will refuse to believe it and make poor excuses when it does happen, Dirk was good enough to accept it and that is something positive.

Indoors well it will take him longer, but he'll find a way to win there as well. I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.
I agree with your points, still sceptic about Nadal´s chances at indoors, I think he needs to improve a lot of things to do well there, but I also know I can´t understimate him cause he´s hungry and he wants to win everywhere and in Spain there´s a common expression that could do fine here "No se le pueden poner puertas al campo" (sth like "U can´t put doors in an open field")
 

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Deivid23 said:
I agree with your points, still sceptic about Nadal´s chances at indoors, I think he needs to improve a lot of things to do well there, but I also know I can´t understimate him cause he´s hungry and he wants to win everywhere and in Spain there´s a common expression that could do fine here "No se le pueden poner puertas al campo" (sth like "U can´t put doors in an open field")
Yes, his serve would need to improve, but Rios was able to play well indoors. I mean Rafa doesn't need the big bombs, and he has improved the placement which is good. Yes, he's hungry, but the elements are taken out of the equation in indoor tennis, so that'll be a challenge for him.
 

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MariaV said:
Good for you George!!!!! :yippee: :D
I am not one of these people that have gone Nadal crazy all of a sudden, like he has come out of nowhere, he has been around for a while. I mean it's mainly because people think of him as a claycourt specialist, yes it is a negative term. Then again, maybe it's the rabid anti-Nadal fans that have helped as well.
 

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Yes, his serve would need to improve, but Rios was able to play well indoors. I mean Rafa doesn't need the big bombs, and he has improved the placement which is good. Yes, he's hungry, but the elements are taken out of the equation in indoor tennis, so that'll be a challenge for him.
One of the things that worries me more about this is that Nadal has such a huge confidence in his retrieving abilities that many times he´s too conservative when hitting the ball, he doesn´t give enough depth to their shots and that´s a killer handicap at indoors. He also will have to deal with faster services and time for running down balls will be shorter. The good thing is that he´s a damned fast learner as he showed yesterday (again). He knew he had to be more agressive in 3rd set and he managed to do it perfectly, hitting the ball deeper and putting pressure on Agassi when he had a chance in every rally.
 

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GeorgeWHitler said:
I am not one of these people that have gone Nadal crazy all of a sudden, like he has come out of nowhere, he has been around for a while. I mean it's mainly because people think of him as a claycourt specialist, yes it is a negative term. Then again, maybe it's the rabid anti-Nadal fans that have helped as well.
I'm not a crazy Nadal fan either (one crazy Marat's quite enough for me thank you ;)) but I've always been a pro Nadal person in the discussion with the anti Nadal people. He impressed me last year already and his progress this year has been simply amazing. And I just love the kid proving all his hatas wrong. :D
 

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One of the things that worries me more about this is that Nadal has such a huge confidence in his retrieving abilities that many times he´s too conservative when hitting the ball, he doesn´t give enough depth to their shots and that´s a killer handicap at indoors. He also will have to deal with faster services and time for running down balls will be shorter. The good thing is that he´s a damned fast learner as he showed yesterday (again). He knew he had to be more agressive in 3rd set and he managed to do it perfectly, hitting the ball deeper and putting pressure on Agassi when he had a chance in every rally.
Well he was able to handle the lighter balls and fast conditions, though you're right as he needs to take some shorter swings on his shots and as for length of shot, that is always important.

Sure he has the speed, but the heat is taken out of the equation, so he can't use superior fitness to his advantage and no wind or sun can hinder a big server, but that's a challenge he has to face up to.
 

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The good thing is that he´s a damned fast learner as he showed yesterday (again). He knew he had to be more agressive in 3rd set and he managed to do it perfectly, hitting the ball deeper and putting pressure on Agassi when he had a chance in every rally.
That's exactly what I am impressed about and was so impressed last night in the 3rd set. :D He's one helluva smart kid. :yeah:
 

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I am not one of these people that have gone Nadal crazy all of a sudden, like he has come out of nowhere, he has been around for a while. I mean it's mainly because people think of him as a claycourt specialist, yes it is a negative term. Then again, maybe it's the rabid anti-Nadal fans that have helped as well.
The fact that you are a fan by default shows you really aren't a fan.
 

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The fact that you are a fan by default shows you really aren't a fan.
I have never said he was a favourite of mine, then again you wouldn't have followed the many conversations that I have had about Nadal. What it is, that all these rabid anti-Nadal fans around, have helped make me like Nadal more, whereas before I was neutral, it's just different form of dislike, some is more than others.
 
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