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What would have been the result of this potential final?

  • Djokovic in 3 sets

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  • Djokovic in 4 sets

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  • Djokovic in 5 sets

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  • Nadal in 3 sets

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  • Nadal in 4 sets

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  • Nadal in 5 sets

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  • I honestly have no idea

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Some might find this thread torrid, however, depending on what happens with Novak this year, this slam (2011 RG) could potentially have massive record breaking implications for Djokovic and history. I mean imagine if Nole won back to back CYGS. He would be GOAT in many peoples eyes. Without even realising it this could be the slam they will all be talking about in 10 years.

How do you think this final would have played out?

This is Nadal at RG remember.

I personally think Djokovic would have won because Nadal started his final poorly against Fed in the first set, and I think Djokovic would have capitalised and won in 4 or 5 tough sets with a breaker or two. Novak had already proved his fitness in Rome so 5 sets wouldnt have been so intimidating on the red stuff.

I know with whats happened retrospectively most will say Djokovic would have won, but bear in mind Djoko hadnt won as many in a row back then, Wimbledon, US and AO 12 haddnt happened yet. So Nadal still would have been confident. And Djokovic was out of sorts after a 4 day layoff to the semis, and may not have totally had his mojo back even after the Fed match. Also, a resurging Del Pot took a set from him.

I say Novak 6-4, 6-7, 7-6 7-5

How would you see it? People are going to talk about this a lot this year so better have a seperate thread for it to leave the nonsense out of other threads.
 

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Djokovic in 4, more easily than you see it : remember that :

- Roland-Garros last year was clearly quicker than the Australian Open is

- Nadal was not in great form in RG

- Djokovic was good, just made too many errors and lost a tight match against a firing Fed

This was just Fed's birthday present to Rafa, as he said it after his match.

But it's not sure that Djokovic would have made the calendar year grand slam : he was also very very very near from losing the US Open ;)
 

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Pointless question. He didn't get to the final, so what's the point of even debating the outcome of a match that never even happened?
 

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Nole in 5.

All Rafifans are thanking Roger, as they should do for Rafy's entire career.
 

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Pointless question. He didn't get to the final, so what's the point of even debating the outcome of a match that never even happened?
Do you per chance think it would make more sense to debate the outcome of a match that *did* happen?
 

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Do you per chance think it would make more sense to debate the outcome of a match that *did* happen?
In a way, yes. Debating what would have happened if Rafa didn't miss that easy looking backhand in the 5th set seems more appropriate than debating a match that never even took place. We will never know what form both players would have been in for that FO final that never happened. In AO final we saw that both players were at pretty much the same level in the 5th set, so debating that easy backhand miss is, in a way, more justified.
 

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Some might find this thread torrid, however, depending on what happens with Novak this year, this slam (2011 RG) could potentially have massive record breaking implications for Djokovic and history. I mean imagine if Nole won back to back CYGS. He would be GOAT in many peoples eyes. Without even realising it this could be the slam they will all be talking about in 10 years.

How do you think this final would have played out?

This is Nadal at RG remember.

I personally think Djokovic would have won because Nadal started his final poorly against Fed in the first set, and I think Djokovic would have capitalised and won in 4 or 5 tough sets with a breaker or two. Novak had already proved his fitness in Rome so 5 sets wouldnt have been so intimidating on the red stuff.

I know with whats happened retrospectively most will say Djokovic would have won, but bear in mind Djoko hadnt won as many in a row back then, Wimbledon, US and AO 12 haddnt happened yet. So Nadal still would have been confident. And Djokovic was out of sorts after a 4 day layoff to the semis, and may not have totally had his mojo back even after the Fed match. Also, a resurging Del Pot took a set from him.

I say Novak 6-4, 6-7, 7-6 7-5

How would you see it? People are going to talk about this a lot this year so better have a seperate thread for it to leave the nonsense out of other threads.
It's quite a tough question to answer, but I still think Nadal would have won. I honestly think there isn't much in it ability wise between the top 4 players and it comes down to psychology. Nadal has the upper hand with Federer and Murray with the fear factor, but Djokovic has comes along and now Nadal seems to have the problem with him. Djokovic is rightfully number one, but Nadal is still the king of clay and would probably have still won RG in 2011 against Djokovic.
 

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Funny thing is, if Nole and Nadal did play in that final, and if Nadal beat Nole, who's to say what would have happened afterwards? Maybe Nadal would have gained confidence and beaten Nole in Wimbledon/USO/AO finals. Everything happens for a reason. Maybe Fed did Nole a favor of a lifetime by taking him out in the semi finals. Maybe Nole wasn't ready to face Rafa at FO then...he is now, that's for sure. In fact, timing has never been better. And more importantly, if he loses to Rafa this year in FO final, it won't affect him nearly as badly as it would have last year. Afterall, he has last 3 grand slams.
 

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I honestly think there isn't much in it ability wise between the top 4 players and it comes down to psychology.
When Roland-Garros arrived, Nadal was at the bottom of his confidence, as his interviews during the tournament proved.

Wimbledon final, which happened one month later, proved it again.

His uncle had given him more fighting spirit when the US Open arrived, and then the Australian Open.

Imagine that Djokovic had beaten Nadal in both Roland-Garros : that would have hurt his confidence badly. I think Fed may have saved Nadal that day.
 

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In a way, yes. Debating what would have happened if Rafa didn't miss that easy looking backhand in the 5th set seems more appropriate than debating a match that never even took place. We will never know what form both players would have been in for that FO final that never happened. In AO final we saw that both players were at pretty much the same level in the 5th set, so debating that easy backhand miss is, in a way, more justified.
I see your point, it makes sense. But in this case the question is not "what would the outcome be?" (which is known), but "what could it have been if just he hadn't missed that shot".
 

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so how did the clay matches between Djokodal go before RG? How was the H2H up to that point in the season? Djokovic would have won...and it could have become a real Grand Slam over the season. So in some sense Federer prevented the most awesome season ever as "the streak" would have been longer too.

RG is such a gamebreaker. Nadals RG streak. Federers SF streak. Djokovic's win streak. All have fallen. Murray better get some kind of streak too so someone can break it in RG but don't count on it
 

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Nole would've won Rafa, say in 4 sets like usually. I wonder whether ATP/ITF will try to protect Grand Slam, and draw Roger once again on Nole's half.
 

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so how did the clay matches between Djokodal go before RG? How was the H2H up to that point in the season? Djokovic would have won...and it could have become a real Grand Slam over the season. So in some sense Federer prevented the most awesome season ever as "the streak" would have been longer too.

RG is such a gamebreaker. Nadals RG streak. Federers SF streak. Djokovic's win streak. All have fallen. Murray better get some kind of streak too so someone can break it in RG but don't count on it
Murray's streak of grand slam shortcomings, maybe? Though he'll have to be the who breaks that one.


Nole would've won Rafa, say in 4 sets like usually. I wonder whether ATP/ITF will try to protect Grand Slam, and draw Roger once again on Nole's half.
I'm sure they would love him to do the Grand Slam, or at least secure the career slam at RG.
 

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Of course we can never know for sure, but I feel Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in four. And in a way, not meeting Djokovic at RG saved Nadal at Wimbledon and USO (though he lost to ND, He made the finals of both - a great achievement in itself). Losing his foothold at RG could have done Nadal in for the year - like how it panned out in 2009.

Nole would've won Rafa, say in 4 sets like usually. I wonder whether ATP/ITF will try to protect Grand Slam, and draw Roger once again on Nole's half.
Hardly a given Federer will be able to replicate last year's performance this year too. But I do agree that out of the big fishes, Fed may be the likeliest to beat Novak at RG simply because he will be the most motivated of them all to stop the Novak slam.;) I think he would (rightfully) feel HE should have been the one to do it, no way will be sit back and watch another guy do it while he is still on tour. At least not without a fight :)
But he turns 31 in a few months, Novak will be highly motivated to get 4 in a row...I dont know. Fingers crossed anyway :D
 

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Playing that good a match two years in a row, while pushing 31, is very unlikely. Like you say, fingers crossed but I think we're due for a 'Djokodal' final in Paris.
 

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The same result as the 2012 RG final.
 
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