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How can Nalby/Davy/Hass have 1 GS final & Fedal have neally 40 with the same talent?

I think it wouldnt be presumptous to say that most of MTF would agree that guys like Nalbandian and Davydenko and maybe to a lesser extent Hass combined probably have as much talent as Federer and Nadal combined. Maybe a little more one way or the other.

Leaving tournaments won out of it, look at the GS finals.

All 3 are from a similar generation though not identical.

How on earth can Nalbandian/Davy and Hass have 1 slam final between them with their talent and endless opportunities?

I really dont think injuries explain it, I mean Nadal has had almost as many as those three. They might account for some of it though.

Is tennis so much more a mental game than a physical one?

I can understand a propensity to choke games against big time players. Nalbandian blew something like a 6-3 5-1 lead against Nadal a short time ago. But in his prime Nalbandian and Hass were lethal. How did they cock up so many chances? Even at the back end of their career? Hass beat Djokovic in Wimbledon 09 so he can be a big time player.


I just cant believe the magnitude of the gap. Nalbandian is every bit as talented as Fedal. Hass was very fit and Davydenko is like zero percent body fat. He owns Nadal in the h2h, and hasnt played Fed in grand slams that much.

How have they butchered sooooo many chances?
 
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They couldn't find the right forum, that's why.
 

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Haas has more talent Davydenko - he and Nalbandian are pretty similar talent wise.

Haas has had a ridiculous injury run at horrible times in his career and just general poor luck. In 2002 he was in glorious form and had two big chances to bag a slam. The AO was just a fiasco with the rain delay against Safin. He was one of the favourites going into the USO but was stiff to run into Sampras and lose a very tight 4 setter. By the end of the year he sustained a serious shoulder injury which would see him out until 2004. Shoulder injuries are arguably the worst injuries you can get as they seriously damage your ability to serve. By the time he recovered he pretty much lost his window with Federer arriving and winning everything under the sun. He has never been the same player since and has had to adjust his whole game because of the injuries.

Nalbandian has less excuses...he should really have a slam right now but squandered some key opportunities. He was never winning the final against Hewitt at Wimbledon though - he wasn't ready. Robbed at the USO against Roddick and in tennis you don't get too many golden opportunities. His career is littered with puzzling losses which can only be put down to some mental dysfunction. Without Federer around he probably would have won a slam or two as well.

Davydenko ...pretty sure no one has expected this guy to win a slam. He is definitely one of those SF type of players.
 
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Haas has more talent Davydenko - he and Nalbandian are pretty similar talent wise.

Haas has had a ridiculous injury run at horrible times in his career and just general poor luck. In 2002 he was in glorious form and had two big chances to bag a slam. The AO was just a fiasco with the rain delay against Safin. He was one of the favourites going into the USO but was stiff to run into Sampras and lose a very tight 4 setter. By the end of the year he can sustained a serious shoulder injury which which see him out until 2004. Shoulder injuries are arguably the worst injuries you can get as they seriously damage your ability to serve. By the time he recovered he pretty much lost his window with Federer arriving and winning everything under the sun. He has never been the same player since and has had to adjust his whole game because of the injuries.

Nalbandian has less excuses...he should really have a slam right now but squandered some key opportunities. He was never winning the final against Hewitt at Wimbledon though - he wasn't ready. Robbed at the USO against Roddick and in tennis you don't get too many golden opportunities. His career is littered with puzzling losses which can only be put down to some mental dysfunction. Without Federer around he probably would have won a slam or two as well.

Davydenko ...pretty sure no one has expected this guy to win a slam. He is definitely one of those SF type of players.

good post.

he should have asked djokovic for the advice. this guy resolving any shoulder issues in a week time
 

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Haas has more talent Davydenko - he and Nalbandian are pretty similar talent wise.

Haas has had a ridiculous injury run at horrible times in his career and just general poor luck. In 2002 he was in glorious form and had two big chances to bag a slam. The AO was just a fiasco with the rain delay against Safin. He was one of the favourites going into the USO but was stiff to run into Sampras and lose a very tight 4 setter. By the end of the year he can sustained a serious shoulder injury which which see him out until 2004. Shoulder injuries are arguably the worst injuries you can get as they seriously damage your ability to serve. By the time he recovered he pretty much lost his window with Federer arriving and winning everything under the sun. He has never been the same player since and has had to adjust his whole game because of the injuries.

Nalbandian has less excuses...he should really have a slam right now but squandered some key opportunities. He was never winning the final against Hewitt at Wimbledon though - he wasn't ready. Robbed at the USO against Roddick and in tennis you don't get too many golden opportunities. His career is littered with puzzling losses which can only be put down to some mental dysfunction. Without Federer around he probably would have won a slam or two as well.

Davydenko ...pretty sure no one has expected this guy to win a slam. He is definitely one of those SF type of players.
Great summary of Tommy's Career--injury after injury--not just one, but three surgeries on his right shoulder :sad: Most recently a hip replacement to be added to the list. Actually he has had so many injuries plus illnesses in his career that I have lost track!
 

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good post.

he should have asked djokovic for the advice. this guy resolving any shoulder issues in a week time
Nole has had shoulder problems, but never any surgeries on his shoulder at all.
 

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At the highest level the mental side is the most important, if it was natural talent and style then Nalbandian and Mecir would have a multi Slam winners.

It's not solely down to hard work, if it was then any donkey would be able to win a Slam. It's just the combo of the two, mental application/strength and maximising natural ability.
 

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Talented though they are all three, it is a myth that either Haas, Davydenko or Nalbandian are more talented than Federer or Nadal. Results speak for themselves; mental and physical fortitude are themselves an aspect of overall tennis talent. Just because you prefer the technically flawless aesthetic of Nalbandian's forehand to Nadal's more bullish approach to the stroke it does not mean that one is better from a technical tennis standpoint than the other; each shot has its respective strengths and weaknesses.
 

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When people talk about talent they refer to natural technical prowess in the given context not generic factors (such as mental fortitude and endurance) that could be attributed to any sport.
 

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Don't often post but those 3 alone don't have the talent that Roger has in his little toe!
 

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nadal has that physical talent like you said that could be attributed to any sport and I can imagine him being successful in other sports also but for example Federer , he has that technical talent and I can't imagine him playing other sport on highest level
 

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Haas has more talent Davydenko - he and Nalbandian are pretty similar talent wise.

Haas has had a ridiculous injury run at horrible times in his career and just general poor luck. In 2002 he was in glorious form and had two big chances to bag a slam. The AO was just a fiasco with the rain delay against Safin. He was one of the favourites going into the USO but was stiff to run into Sampras and lose a very tight 4 setter. By the end of the year he sustained a serious shoulder injury which would see him out until 2004. Shoulder injuries are arguably the worst injuries you can get as they seriously damage your ability to serve. By the time he recovered he pretty much lost his window with Federer arriving and winning everything under the sun. He has never been the same player since and has had to adjust his whole game because of the injuries.

Nalbandian has less excuses...he should really have a slam right now but squandered some key opportunities. He was never winning the final against Hewitt at Wimbledon though - he wasn't ready. Robbed at the USO against Roddick and in tennis you don't get too many golden opportunities. His career is littered with puzzling losses which can only be put down to some mental dysfunction. Without Federer around he probably would have won a slam or two as well.

Davydenko ...pretty sure no one has expected this guy to win a slam. He is definitely one of those SF type of players.
If Marcos freaking Burgerdatis can make a slam final, being down 2 sets and a break in the semi no less, Savywanko really has no excuse.
 

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Re: How can Nalby/Davy/Hass have 1 GS final & Fedal have neally 40 with the same tale

Does anyone think the 5 set format might have something to do with this?

Though only making 1 slam final between them, Davydenko and Nalbandian have reached many finals and won many best of 3 set events thrashing many top players along the way.
 

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Does anyone think the 5 set format might have something to do with this?

Though only making 1 slam final between them, Davydenko and Nalbandian have reached many finals and won many best of 3 set events thrashing many top players along the way.
No, both of them have over 50% records in 5 setters.
 

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If Marcos freaking Burgerdatis can make a slam final, being down 2 sets and a break in the semi no less, Savywanko really has no excuse.
Burgerbandian lost that SF to Burgerdatis. There you go.
 

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At the highest level the mental side is the most important, if it was natural talent and style then Nalbandian and Mecir would have a multi Slam winners.

It's not solely down to hard work, if it was then any donkey would be able to win a Slam. It's just the combo of the two, mental application/strength and maximising natural ability.
Well, there are different reasons why certain amazing players were unable to win a Slam. As you well said hard work, mental strenght or natural ability (combined or individually one of those skills) helped certain players to win a GS. But at the same time some great players found amazing rivals and were unable to win a Slam or more than one (for example, Roddick would had definitely picked up a Wimbledon trophy and always failed to do it against the same player: Roger Federer)

I would add certain players that were good but not enough to reach a GS final or never pictured themselves rising a Slam trophy and they did it like Gaudio, Thomas Johansson, Albert Costa or Andres Gomez for instance that had good tennis skills and found two fantastic weeks of their careers to win a GS title. Other players that found amazing rivals and were unable to win it like Mecir in the two chances he found in his career (the two times he reached a GS final Lendl trashed him).

Nalbandian, Haas, Enqvist, Rios, Corretja or Mecir are really good examples of players that remained slamless and definitely should had been on that priviledge list. And there are certain players that had been unfair if they wouldn`t managed to win at least one GS title like Moya, Ferrero, Korda, Chang, Ivanisevic, Muster or Cash just to mention a few of them.

Even on these days where players find easier chances to win any GS (RG is not as slow as it used to be in the past or Wimbledon as fast either) you still see that there aren`t new individual names on those lists of GS winners. That is why I do still believe that winning any GS at least once in your career is not for anyone and is remarkable to see what certain players did or are doing on their careers.
 

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Don't often post but those 3 alone don't have the talent that Roger has in his little toe!
Don't post more please.

These guys have mental lapses, thats why and for Davydenko it's more a physical problem, sustaining good form and footwork in best of 5 is too much for him.
 

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Nalby, Haas and Davy all have a fragile body. They were plagued by injured all along their career with several surgeries for Haas and Nalby. Davy had a big foot problem and a wrist problem who stopped him from playing during a long time
 

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same talent? there is like an ocean of difference in their levels thats why.
 
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