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It is known that Federer has always had the talent to beat Rafael Nadal, but
always seemed to come up short in the mental department. So many times in the past
it has been Federer in a winning position against Nadal, but Roger defeats
himself. Let us analyse the games of these two greats to understand Roger's mental
block.

Rafael Nadal:
The boy with infinite stamina. Never gives up and commits 100% to each point.

Roger Federer:
A shotmaker from the Lindt factory. Has every shot in the book and likes to hit
the winner.

You may be wondering how the American Andy Roddick equates to Roger's mental
failures against Rafa. Andy Roddick was for some time considered Roger Federer's
rival. These two men contested four Major finals with Roger being victorious each
time. Their rivalry ended a remarkable 21 - 3 in favor of the Swiss. One would
expect this kind of dominance to give great confidence to a player, however
Roddick was unintentionally dealing great damage to Federer which would result in Roger
finding himself on the other side of an embarrassing head to head record.

Andy Roddick was not the natural athlete that is Federer. Sure he had the serve,
but the ground strokes and volleys were lacking. Another vital aspect which
escaped Roddick's game was footwork. Andy's lack of footwork and heart caused him
to give up on a lot of balls. This allowed Federer to go for his shots and
overtime he learned when he had done enough and put away a winner. That was until
he met Rafael Nadal.

Rafael Nadal chases down every ball shipped straight from the Federer racquet. If
you watch old meetings between these two titans, you will see how Federer is
forced to hit multiple winners against Rafa to earn a point. Such a high standard
of tennis was not required against Andy Roddick: the man whose stamina was
limited. Andy Roddick greatly diminished Federer's chances against Nadal, as
Federer cannot believe that Nadal has retrieved the shots Roger has grown to know
are winners.
 

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It is known that Federer has always had the talent to beat Rafael Nadal
That is where you are wrong. Frauderer only seems talented against serve bots like Roddick and clowns like Hewitt.

The moment a true talent came along who wasn't intimidated by Fraud's antics, he was exposed. Don't get me started on what happened when Nadal hit his prime. Fraud couldn't win anywhere, most importantly in slams. He hasn't had a chance vs Nadal in slams on any surface after 2007. And yet he's still touted by deluded fans as GOAT. Lol. Thankfully, legends like Agassi and McEnroe and many others already refuse to accept Fraud as GOAT because in 2004-2007 his toughest slam matches came from 100 year old Agassi :superlol: 3 slams donated by Roddick alone shows exactly what 'legacy' Frauderer built his career on
 

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That is where you are wrong. Frauderer only seems talented against serve bots like Roddick and clowns like Hewitt.

The moment a true talent came along who wasn't intimidated by Fraud's antics, he was exposed. Don't get me started on what happened when Nadal hit his prime. Fraud couldn't win anywhere, most importantly in slams. He hasn't had a chance vs Nadal in slams on any surface after 2007. And yet he's still touted by deluded fans as GOAT. Lol. Thankfully, legends like Agassi and McEnroe and many others already refuse to accept Fraud as GOAT because in 2004-2007 his toughest slam matches came from 100 year old Agassi :superlol: 3 slams donated by Roddick alone shows exactly what 'legacy' Frauderer built his career on
Extreme match-up disadvantage.
 

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Oh noes , the nurse is again here :facepalm:
 

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Makes no sense. Pointless thread. Roger's H2H with Nadal isn't that bad. Only 55% losses.
 

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Rafael Nadal chases down every ball shipped straight from the Federer racquet. If
you watch old meetings between these two titans, you will see how Federer is
forced to hit multiple winners against Rafa to earn a point. Such a high standard
of tennis was not required against Andy Roddick: the man whose stamina was
limited. Andy Roddick greatly diminished Federer's chances against Nadal, as
Federer cannot believe that Nadal has retrieved the shots Roger has grown to know
are winners.
As uncle T said they needed to slow the game down against Federer anyhow and one way of doing that was by taking 40-50 seconds between the points.

I highly doubt that Roddick would've been allowed 40-50 sec. and without that he wouldn't be capable of defending tirelessly as Nadal attacking constantly Federer's bh knowing it will snap sooner or later.

Federer has really only got himself to blame for allowing Nadal to constantly get away with anything above 30 sec. and now being 32+ it is too late in Bo5 against fit Nadal no matter if it's 25 or 50 sec.
 

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I agree with the OP. Except that Roddick did not lack heart in not running for all the balls, but he lacked some fitness, yes.

I recall watching Miami 2004, the first Fedal match. It was early, Fed serving 2-2, 30-30. Roger had stretched Nadal wide to the BH with a serve, then hit the forehand inside out into the Nadal forehand. Federer's movement to close the net was ever so slow, he hesitated, perhaps thinking that Nadal was not going to make the ball. But make it he did, smacked the forehand pass, and Roger dumped it into the net, dumbfounded that Rafa was able to make the distance and the shot.

From 11:22, watch as Federer's net close is delayed, thinking Nadal won't make the distance.


And the rest is history, really.
 

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That is where you are wrong. Frauderer only seems talented against serve bots like Roddick and clowns like Hewitt.

The moment a true talent came along who wasn't intimidated by Fraud's antics, he was exposed. Don't get me started on what happened when Nadal hit his prime. Fraud couldn't win anywhere, most importantly in slams. He hasn't had a chance vs Nadal in slams on any surface after 2007. And yet he's still touted by deluded fans as GOAT. Lol. Thankfully, legends like Agassi and McEnroe and many others already refuse to accept Fraud as GOAT because in 2004-2007 his toughest slam matches came from 100 year old Agassi :superlol: 3 slams donated by Roddick alone shows exactly what 'legacy' Frauderer built his career on
Uh-huh, so in 2006/2007 Federer had it easier against Nadal in these finals of Wimbledon than against a "100 year old Agassi"? :stupid: And what exactly was Federer exposed for: not having any talent (at all), not being the GOAT or is it basically one and the same to you? Your overstated attempts at cynism teem with obnoxious dullness.
 

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That is where you are wrong. Frauderer only seems talented against serve bots like Roddick and clowns like Hewitt.

The moment a true talent came along who wasn't intimidated by Fraud's antics, he was exposed. Don't get me started on what happened when Nadal hit his prime. Fraud couldn't win anywhere, most importantly in slams. He hasn't had a chance vs Nadal in slams on any surface after 2007. And yet he's still touted by deluded fans as GOAT. Lol. Thankfully, legends like Agassi and McEnroe and many others already refuse to accept Fraud as GOAT because in 2004-2007 his toughest slam matches came from 100 year old Agassi :superlol: 3 slams donated by Roddick alone shows exactly what 'legacy' Frauderer built his career on
poor guy.

federer is still nº3 in this era with 33 years old.....

nadal is injury again , at 33 he will be in bed
 

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It is known that Federer has always had the talent to beat Rafael Nadal, but
always seemed to come up short in the mental department. So many times in the past
it has been Federer in a winning position against Nadal, but Roger defeats
himself. Let us analyse the games of these two greats to understand Roger's mental
block.

Rafael Nadal:
The boy with infinite stamina. Never gives up and commits 100% to each point.

Roger Federer:
A shotmaker from the Lindt factory. Has every shot in the book and likes to hit
the winner.

You may be wondering how the American Andy Roddick equates to Roger's mental
failures against Rafa. Andy Roddick was for some time considered Roger Federer's
rival. These two men contested four Major finals with Roger being victorious each
time. Their rivalry ended a remarkable 21 - 3 in favor of the Swiss. One would
expect this kind of dominance to give great confidence to a player, however
Roddick was unintentionally dealing great damage to Federer which would result in Roger
finding himself on the other side of an embarrassing head to head record.
Andy Roddick was not the natural athlete that is Federer. Sure he had the serve,
but the ground strokes and volleys were lacking. Another vital aspect which
escaped Roddick's game was footwork. Andy's lack of footwork and heart caused him
to give up on a lot of balls. This allowed Federer to go for his shots and
overtime he learned when he had done enough and put away a winner. That was until
he met Rafael Nadal.

Rafael Nadal chases down every ball shipped straight from the Federer racquet. If
you watch old meetings between these two titans, you will see how Federer is
forced to hit multiple winners against Rafa to earn a point. Such a high standard
of tennis was not required against Andy Roddick: the man whose stamina was
limited. Andy Roddick greatly diminished Federer's chances against Nadal, as
Federer cannot believe that Nadal has retrieved the shots Roger has grown to know
are winners.
My only reaction to this thread.

 

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WTH is this thread about :confused:
 

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Uh-huh, so in 2006/2007 Federer had it easier against Nadal in these finals of Wimbledon than against a "100 year old Agassi"? :stupid: And what exactly was Federer exposed for: not having any talent (at all), not being the GOAT or is it basically one and the same to you? Your overstated attempts at cynism teem with obnoxious dullness.
Nadal will only be known in history as one who worked over time with his Uncle to put up a scheme to defeat the more Naturally gifted and Pleasant Federer.

His 14 Grand Slams will just be footnote. You think People will even remember Nadal if not for Federer?

Nadal has been made just because of Federer's reluctance to beat the strategy of Nadal beating him. If not for Federer nobody will even remember Nadal.
 
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