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Its time.

So how i plan to do this "calculate a GS win",simply based on what players the champion defeated to his GS win.
How this pointing system works is like this

Mandatory 7 points for GS win
If a player defeated
Opponents who have 1 GS win, Awards 1 extra Point
Opponents who have 2+(multislammers), awards extra 2 points.
Opponents who have 1 GS at that specific GS, awards extra 2 Points
Opponents who have 2+ GS at that specific GS, awards extra 3 Points
If opponent is older than 30, 1 point is deducted.. i.e beating Federer when he is 30+ in Wimbledon only awards 2 points. 1 GS winner over 30 awards 0.
i.e, XXXX Player won Wimbledon(7), he faced single Grand Slam winner in the SF(1), and a multislam winner of that specific GS (3)
Total points awarded/value for that GS win is 11 Points

Winning a GS without facing a single GS champion, awards 7.

NOTE: Opponent Value is calculated based on that dates achievement.

First try:
Federers first GS win(W2003)
Total Value : 7


Nadals first GS Win (RG2005)
Federer SF: +2 Points (Multi Slam winner)
Total Value: 9


Djokovic first GS Win(AO2008):
Hewitt +2 Points (Multi Slam Winner)
Federer +3 Points (Multi Slam AO)
Total Value: 12


Any thoughts suggestions? i´ll gladly input them.. without making it to complicated.

UPDATE: need to rethink the point system a bit more, before i continue.
 

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Federers 2nd GS (AO2004)
Hewitt +2 Points
Ferrero +1 Points
Safin +1 Points (Even though he won 2005 AO, at 2004.. he was not a previous GS winner at AO)
Total Value:11 Points

Nadals 2nd (RG2006)
Hewitt +2 Points
Federer +2 Points
Total value: 11

Djokovic 2nd (AO2011)

Federer +3 Points
Total Value: 10

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Federers 3rd (W2004)
Johansson +1 Point
Hewitt +2 Points
Roddick +1 Point
Total Value: 11

Nadals 3rd (RG2007)
Hewitt +2 Points
Moya +1 Points (Previous RG Winner -1Point 30Years)
Federer +2 Points
Total Value: 12 Points

Djokovic 3rd (W2011)
Nadal +3 Points
Total Value: 10 Points
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Federers 4th (US2004)
Costa +1 Point
Agassi +2 Points (Deducted 1, because of age)
Hewitt +3 Points
Total Value: 13

Nadals 4th (RG2008)
Djokovic +1 Point
Federer +2 Points
Total Value: 10

Djokovic 4th (US2011)
Federer +3 Points
Nadal +3 Points
Total Value: 13
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Federers 5th (W2005)
Ferrero +1 Point
Hewitt +2 Points
Roddick +1 Point
Total value: 11

Nadals 5th (W2008)
Federer +3
Total Value: 10

Djokovic 5th (AO2012)
Hewitt +1Point (Deducted point because of age)
Nadal +2Point
Total value: 10
 

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Interesting . Go ahead, seems lot of work.
BUT Age of the opponent must not be factored at all.
If At Age 30, some player plays in the semis or final, he means he has come through 5or 6 matches in the tournament just like his younger opponent.
The opponent should not be penalized.

My 2 ceents..
 

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Its time.

So how i plan to do this "calculate a GS win",simply based on what players the champion defeated to his GS win.
How this pointing system works is like this

Mandatory 7 points for GS win
If a player defeated
Opponents who have 1 GS win, Awards 1 extra Point
Opponents who have 2+(multislammers), awards extra 2 points.
Opponents who have 1 GS at that specific GS, awards extra 2 Points
Opponents who have 2+ GS at that specific GS, awards extra 3 Points
If opponent is older than 30, 1 point is deducted.. i.e beating Federer when he is 30+ in Wimbledon only awards 2 points. 1 GS winner over 30 awards 0.
i.e, XXXX Player won Wimbledon(7), he faced single Grand Slam winner in the SF(1), and a multislam winner of that specific GS (3)
Total points awarded/value for that GS win is 11 Points

Winning a GS without facing a single GS champion, awards 7.

NOTE: Opponent Value is calculated based on that dates achievement.

First try:
Federers first GS win(W2003)
Roddick SF:+1 Point(1GS Winner)

Total Value : 8



Nadals first GS Win (RG2005)
Federer SF: +2 Points (Multi Slam winner)
Total Value: 9


Djokovic first GS Win(AO2008):
Hewitt +2 Points (Multi Slam Winner)
Federer +3 Points (Multi Slam AO)
Total Value: 12


Any thoughts suggestions? i´ll gladly input them.. without making it to complicated.
I think Federer should get 7 points here, as Roddick only won his first Slam at the USO 2003, i.e. after W 2003.
 

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Interesting . Go ahead, seems lot of work.
BUT Age of the opponent must not be factored at all.
If At Age 30, some player plays in the semis or final, he means he has come through 5or 6 matches in the tournament just like his younger opponent.
The opponent should not be penalized.

My 2 ceents..
Yes i agree to some extent, but that would only count if the 30 year old gs winner appears in the SF-F
Because beating hewitt in 2011 in like R4.. should not award 2 points.. because of his decline..
 

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Del Potro would have quite some pts for his 2009 USO W then...having beaten Nadal and Federer in succession
 

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Not sure how you could translate it into a quantifiable parameter, but a win over Hewitt in 2008 is not something worth additional points just because he is a former slam champion. In 2005, yes. By 2008, he was far less a slam contender than Federer is today. Don't think it's a subjective view either, as evident from his results.
 

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Not sure how you could translate it into a quantifiable parameter, but a win over Hewitt in 2008 is not something worth additional points just because he is a former slam champion. In 2005, yes. By 2008, he was far less a slam contender than Federer is today. Don't think it's a subjective view either, as evident from his results.
Yes thats why im thinking about a another approach towards the point system, just because of the "hewitt"..
But i want to find a optimal pointing system.. to truely evaluate one slam win in value.

-How hard it was
-Who you had to defeat
 

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Nadal cheated or faced weakest opponents to win GS. His slams have no value.

Roger and Novak won by skill and beat tough opponents. All their slams have value.

End of thread. Thanks for listening.
 

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Nadal cheated or faced weakest opponents to win GS. His slams have no value.

Roger and Novak won by skill and beat tough opponents. All their slams have value.

End of thread. Thanks for listening.
Id rather let the numbers decide really.. who had the hardest Median/Average GS Win.
 

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Nadal cheated or faced weakest opponents to win GS. His slams have no value.

Roger and Novak won by skill and beat tough opponents. All their slams have value.

End of thread. Thanks for listening.
NONSENSE! Rafa's slam finals are awesome. He leads Federer 6-2 with only 2 losses on grass. Against Novak, he leads 4-3, Rafa also defeated Novak and Roger in semis etc. He leads Novak, of whom I am a fan, 9-3 in slam matches overall, with a similar record against Roger. Just because you hate Nadal should not change Facts, even for you.
 

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Interesting approach, you have my full support.
 

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Pretty good idea but even this can only give relative values within same eras. Having said that , absolute slam win value is indeed a mirage.

What I mean is how is beating Roddick or Hewitt imparts same value than beating Murray for instance? Beating Murray would be considered pretty big deal generally.
 

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Lol, what an epic nonsense.
 
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