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Introduction to TT

What is Tennis Tipping?

-Tennis Tipping is a game which tries to recreate the atmosphere of the ATP circuit. It consists of predicting the winners of the singles matches of a given day or round, but unlike the other tennis prediction games, the players are sorted in a knock-out system. That means each participant plays a different participant, and whoever gets the highest score moves on to the next round, when the winning players begin a new match (scores from the previous round are not carried on).
Here are some other similarities between TT and the ATP Tour:
· The game can be played individually (singles competition) or in pairs (doubles competition - the scores of each of the team players are combined);
· The categories of events are in compliance with the ITF/ATP regulations (Grand Slams, Masters 1000, ATP 500, ATP 250, Challengers/Futures, ATP Tour Finals, Davis Cup);
· Entries and seedings are based on a 52-week ranking system.

How to Sign-Up:

Just find the thread of the tournament you would like to play and post ‘IN’. The Tennis Tipping tournament threads are usually opened in the Forum of the actual ATP event. The exceptions are the Challengers and Futures, which are placed here. The calendar of events being held each year can be found in the Managers Thread.

The deadline for entries in Challengers (began in 2019 with alterations to the challenger tour) is Friday 6 PM CET (or CEST) three days before the start of the tournament. Players who commit after the deadline are considered ‘Alternates’ and placed in the bottom of the entry list.

If you want to play doubles, you must find a partner to play with you. You can either ask for a doubles partner or contact someone who is also looking for a doubles partner in the tournament thread. We recommend the use of Private Messages (PM) to make sure your request has been read by the other player. After you settle the partnership, you just need to post ‘Doubles with (name of the player)’ in the tournament thread.

It’s important to know that you can only commit to one tournament in each week. You are allowed to change tournaments (only once), but you must withdraw from the tournament you have entered first. Keep in mind that if you change tournaments, you will be placed in the bottom of the entry list of the event you decide to play.

Since the beginning of the 2019 season there will be no qualifying in Challengers and all of them will start Monday the earliest.

How to send in picks:

Picks can be sent in as soon as the draws are ready. Remember, you pick a winner in every match! Picks should be sent by PM, so that your opponent does not know your picks. Picks should be titled: TT . Picks can be sent in anytime until the beginning of play each day, or in special cases until the deadline set by the manager in order to benefit the majority. If you're still in both singles & doubles, you use the same tips for both. For doubles, you still tip the ATP singles matches, not the doubles! No changes can be made after the play has started.

The predictions must be sent by a PM (labeled CONVERSATION in 2020). The message should be titled similarly to “TT (Name of the Tournament) – Day”. Picks can be sent anytime until the deadline set by the manager which usually is the beginning of play each day. The same picks will be used for singles & doubles.

Where Can I find more information ?

Tennis Tipping forum is the place where all the additional information about TT can be found.

Precautionary Measure:

If the board goes down as has happened before, send your picks to: YOUR EMAIL HERE
 

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FACT SHEET

Location: INSERT
Type: TT Challenger 125 or 100
Surface: INSERT
Date: INSERT
Tournament website: INSERT LINK


Singles and Doubles Entry Strict Deadline: Friday, INSERT DATE, 6:00 PM CET/CEST
Anyone committing after that deadline will be an ALT
Draw Size for Singles:
32 or 48 - depending on number of commitments - all direct entrants
Draw Size for Doubles: 16 or 24 - depending on number of commitments - all direct entrants

TT RANKING POINTS

( USE ONLY APPLICABLE POINTS of CH* or CH)
CH*
W...125
F....90
SF...55
QF...30
R16..15
R32..7(0)
R48..0

CH
W...100
F....75
SF...45
QF...22
R16..10
R32..5(0)
R48..0


SCHEDULE of PLAY

SINGLES:
Monday ~ TT R48
Tuesday ~ TT R32
Wednesday ~ TT R16
Thursday ~ TT QF
Friday ~ TT SF
Saturday & Sunday ~ TT Final

DOUBLES:
Monday ~ TT R24
Tuesday & Wednesday ~ TT R16
Thursday ~ TT QF
Friday ~ TT SF
Saturday & Sunday ~ TT Final
 

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DOUBLES DRAW

INSERT


DOUBLES R24 RESULTS

matches counted : ?
matches remaining : 0

DOUBLES R16 RESULTS
matches counted : ?
matches remaining : 0

DOUBLES QF RESULTS
matches counted : 8
matches remaining : 0

DOUBLES SF RESULTS
matches counted : 4
matches remaining : 0

DOUBLES F RESULTS
matches counted : 3
matches remaining : 0
 

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SINGLES DRAW

INSERT


SINGLES R48 RESULTS

matches counted : ?
matches remaining : 0

SINGLES R32 RESULTS
matches counted : ?
matches remaining : 0

SINGLES R16 RESULTS
matches counted : ?
matches remaining : 0

SINGLES QF RESULTS
matches counted : 8
matches remaining : 0

SINGLES SF RESULTS
matches counted : 4
matches remaining : 0

SINGLES F RESULTS
matches counted : 3
matches remaining : 0
 

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MONDAY R48/24 OOP

Mikhail KUKUSHKIN vs. Miomir KECMANOVIC -- PTS1
Pablo CUEVAS vs. Cristian GARIN -- PTS2
Fabio FOGNINI vs. Sam QUERREY -- PTS3
Frances TIAFOE vs. Denis SHAPOVALOV -- PTS4
Albert RAMOS vs. Marin CILIC -- PTS5
Cameron NORRIE vs. Gilles SIMON -- PTS6
Vasek POSPISIL vs. Diego SCHWARTZMAN -- PTS7
Marco CECCHINATO vs. Benoit PAIRE -- PTS8
Gael MONFILS vs. Lorenzo SONEGO -- PTS9
Jeremy CHARDY vs. Kyle EDMUND -- PTS10
Andy MURRAY vs. Juan Ignacio LONDERO -- PTS11
Ze ZHANG vs. Pablo CARRENO -- PTS12


R48 Singles DAY 1/1
R24 Doubles DAY 1/1

Last Names only please in CAPITALS
PTS=send exact scores (64 63)
SR=send set ratio (2-0 or 2-1)


Send all Picks to : INSERT NAME
DEADLINE at ? AM LOCAL / ? AM CET/CEST

Click for CEST time
 

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SCORING 101 FOR TENNIS TIPPING

How to Score a Match

1) correct picks

the player who has more correct picks is the winner
in the case of a tie in the number of correct picks the winner should be determined by this order:

2)
set ratios

player A wins if he has more correct set ratios than player B.
in case there is a tie in the number of correct SRs, you should use the Set to Winner (incorrect 21 picks) method.

3)
(incorrect 21 picks)

all incorrect picks will be compared, and the player with the most incorrect 2-1 picks will win.
---> if this fails to provide a winner, then the tie break method is used.


Next step

- matches in the order of play will be labeled PTS (Predict- The-Score) which will require players to predict the score for tie break purposes, such as 64 63 or 76 76 for example, these matches will be labeled PTS1 to (How ever many matches in A Round 1 of Q or MD, and only 1 PTS match every round after), with PTS1 being the first used to settle the tie, if it can't be settled thru PTS1, we would move down the order to PTS2 , PTS3 , etc. , in a RD1, in subsequent rounds we use PTS1 then Count Back if still Tied.

4) tie breaks (based on PTS1 match first)

-in case Player A chose the correct winner for the PTS1 match while Player B didn´t => Player A wins
-in case Player A and player B chose the correct winner for the PTS1 match and only one has the correct set ratio for that match, then the Player with the correct set ratio wins
-in case player A and player B chose the incorrect winner for the PTS1 match and only one has the incorrect set ratio 21 (versus 20) for that match, then the player with the incorrect 21 set ratio wins , this is displayed as sets to winner


---> In case Player A and Player B chose the correct winner or both chose loser for the PTS1 match and both have the correct/incorrect Set Ratio for that match, winner should be determined by this next methods in PTS1 Match (Predict-The-Score) :


5) tie breaks (POINTS - BASED ON YOUR SCORES PICKED)


a) correct order of sets (co)-> prediction of the correct winner of one or more sets.

o 1 set – 1 point
o 2 sets – 4 points
o 3 sets – 7 points
o 4 sets – 10 points
o 5 sets – 13 points

b) correct scorelines (cs) -> prediction of the exact score of a set won by a player:

o 1 set – 3 points
o 2 sets – 6 points
o 3 sets – 9 points
o 4 sets – 12 points
o 5 sets – 15 points
o bonus of 2 points for each score line predicted in the correct set.

c) total of PTS points (PTS):

o PTS = CO + CS

Sample
player A chose : 6-4 6-3
player B chose : 7-6 6-4
actual match score 63 62

player A CO (4) + CS (3) = total 7
player B CO (4) + CS (0) = total 4
Player A wins

---> If you can't find a winner after all this, in QR1 or RD1, you progressively go through the next PTS matches, and in rare cases where it can not be settled this way, it will progress to GD (game differences) , which can be found in rules section, manager will look up and apply, but rarely used.

--->In all other rounds then QR1/RD1 , PTS1 is followed by tournament count back, comparing all previous round scores, starting with WINNERS ONLY, then SR'S , and If still not settled back 1 round at a time. (This actually is used reasonably often in later rounds of events, with smaller OOP's in SF & F)

QUICK SUMMARY
--->If all is tied with same score overall of WINNERS / SR / INCORRECT 21 PICKS , Matches are then settled using first match in OOP, by comparing that match , first comparing the WINNER, then comparing the SET RATIO, then comparing if 1 player has an incorrect 21 and the other does not, if all remains tied after all this, points scoring comes into play using the actual 64 63 for example, and using the formulas to determine the winner. everything is exhausted in the First match, but if remains tied moves to 2nd, then 3rd then 4th, etc, IN RD1 , otherwise Count Back in subsequent rounds.

COMMON SCORING ISSUE WITH NEW PLAYERS

-not understanding PTS , which if tied is WINNER then SR then ISR before actual points scoring
-not understanding Sets to winner, which is 1 point for every 21 losing pick , and is the 3rd Tie Breaking method, and only used if Winners and SR's are Tied
-not understanding how scores are listed, which is winners in front of matches, then SR's after
05:05 | [email protected] (ITA) vs. (7) doghater (RUS) #SRs: 3-3, # Sets to the winner: 1-1, PTS1

-not understanding how ties will be settled, hopefully this will help, and make the season easier for some.
 

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ALT or LUCKY LOSER PLACEMENT BASICS

ALT = Player committing after FINAL DEADLINE and before start of PLAY (CHALLENGER main draw or ATP Q) , or players at end of entry list in full event.

LUCKY LOSER = Player losing in FQR , best losers are first to enter main draw and replace any missing picks.

After Final deadline for receiving picks , missing picks are replaced by ALTS/LL in CHALLENGER RD1 and QR1/RD1 ATP

2 MISSING PICKS SAME MATCH

- If there is a match with 2 missing picks, it takes placement priority , ALT1/LL1 and ALT2/LL2 will be placed in this spot
- If there is only 1 ALT available and you have a match with 2 missing pick , ALT1/LL1 is placed in this spot , then the top seed with an opponent receives a BYE, and opponent of this seed is moved to face the ALT/LL.
-If you have more then 2 ALTS/LL , ALT/LL 3 will play the lowest ranked player remaining without an opponent, and so on.
-If no ALT/LL are available with 2 missing picks in same match, best loser will advance to take place in next round

1 MISSING PICK per MATCH (MOST COMMON)

-List the matches with missing picks , and compare the ranking of the players that have sent (not those that are missing)
-Lowest on your entry list will face ALT/LL 1, next lowest ALT/LL 2, etc.
-any matches remaining with missing picks after ALT's are placed, receive a walkover to the next round.

DOUBLES

-works the same , 1 missing pick on a team is the same as 2 missing players picks on a team , they get replaced if an ALT/LL team both send picks
-only replaced on Day 1 of 2 in Round 1 , Day 2 no replacements


EXCEPTIONS

-if there are more ALT's then missing picks, the ALT's not getting to play are able to replace missing picks of players having RD1 BYES, as is such for RD48 in CHALLENGERS, if these ALT'S not placed send again for RD2, and a player that had a BYE does not send, the ALT would be placed into round 2 , with the same as round 1 rules, replacing the lowest ranked on the entry list that a seed with BYE is a missing pick against.

-it can get more complicated then this, once in a week 2 event we had 3 matches with 2 missing picks, that will take much more thought and close examining of rules if occurs again.
it's a rare case to have anything other then what is listed here.
 

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Go to managers thread, copy your week, paste and erase rest here


WEEK 1 TT SCHEDULE

#1a 06/01/2020 Doha QAT H 32/16/16/8 a1canada
#1b 03/01/2020 ATP Cup AUS H 24 teams NDee / a1canada
 

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This is a sample thread, for quickly opening then editing, versus POST 1, POST 2, ETC

- using your own former tournaments or the same event from previous season is often quickest way

- first 6 posts are the most important, in the past we have had posts for differences on page 1, but from my experience page 1 gets little use from players, so it's not seen as important or required to have differences anywhere except in last post daily during the event.

- post 7 and 8 , Scoring and ALT/LL placement is something I feel could be used for quicker reference instead of searching thru the rules section, these are both often needed during an event, where most other rules come up less often

- Post 6 is a great place to first edit your OOP, then proofread before moving to the end of the thread, it is mostly unseen during an event until you move and make a new post

-just a sample, open thread however you please :)
 
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