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I think we can still keep the old system, but at the same time keep track of that percentage for everyone and see how much it influences the rankings. What do you think?
Yeah, I think it's a good middle of the road approach. If we see a lot of people bickering/whining we can change the scores accordingly next year.
 

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This is a nice mess. We started last year with a new scoring system. Then just before clay season scoring paused. Then after Wimbledon scoring reverted to old system. Who does a thing like this? Then a new scoring system was suposse to be used.

Now seems same old outdated system. Which is a shame.
 

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This is a nice mess. We started last year with a new scoring system. Then just before clay season scoring paused. Then after Wimbledon scoring reverted to old system. Who does a thing like this? Then a new scoring system was suposse to be used.

Now seems same old outdated system. Which is a shame.
It is very hard to propose a new scoring system from scratch. Also, there are so many possible flaws that can not be resolved. Giving that the interest from other players to join this discussion is relatively reduced (this might have something to do with the holiday season too), there is no reason to rush an do the same mistakes as last year. The main priority is to keep the game alive, with all the flaws that the scoring system has.
 

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It is very hard to propose a new scoring system from scratch. Also, there are so many possible flaws that can not be resolved. Giving that the interest from other players to join this discussion is relatively reduced (this might have something to do with the holiday season too), there is no reason to rush an do the same mistakes as last year. The main priority is to keep the game alive, with all the flaws that the scoring system has.
I have a new idea, we should go back to the ATP scoring system in 2008, I took this from PAW 2009. It would be easy to change in my spreadsheet won't take more than 1 hour to see how the rankings would have change.

Rankings Points for GS:
Code:
1st ---- 1000 .... 9th ---- 237 ...... 17th --- 145 ...... 25th --- 107 
2nd ---- 700 ..... 10th --- 225 ...... 18th --- 140 ...... 26th --- 102
3rd ---- 575 ..... 11th --- 212 ...... 19th --- 135 ...... 27th --- 98 
4th ---- 450 ..... 12th --- 200 ...... 20th --- 131 ...... 28th --- 93 
5th ---- 400 ..... 13th --- 187 ...... 21st --- 126 ...... 29th --- 88 
6th ---- 350 ..... 14th --- 175 ...... 22nd --- 121 ...... 30th --- 84 
7th ---- 300 ..... 15th --- 162 ...... 23rd --- 116 ...... 31st --- 79 
8th ---- 250 ..... 16th --- 150 ...... 24th --- 112 ...... 32nd --- 75 

33rd --- 73 ...... 41st --- 63 ....... 49th --- 53 ....... 57th --- 43
34th --- 72 ...... 42nd --- 62 ....... 50th --- 52 ....... 58th --- 42
35th --- 71 ...... 43rd --- 61 ....... 51st --- 51 ....... 59th --- 41
36th --- 70 ...... 44th --- 60 ....... 52nd --- 50 ....... 60th --- 40
37th --- 68 ...... 45th --- 58 ....... 53rd --- 48 ....... 61st --- 38
38th --- 67 ...... 46th --- 57 ....... 54th --- 47 ....... 62nd --- 37
39th --- 66 ...... 47th --- 56 ....... 55th --- 46 ....... 63rd --- 36
40th --- 65 ...... 48th --- 55 ....... 56th --- 45 ....... 64th --- 35

65th --- 34 ...... 73rd --- 30 ....... 81st --- 25 ....... 89th --- 21
66th --- 33 ...... 74th --- 29 ....... 82sd --- 25 ....... 90th --- 21
67th --- 33 ...... 75th --- 29 ....... 83rd --- 24 ....... 91st --- 20
68th --- 32 ...... 76th --- 28 ....... 84th --- 24 ....... 92nd --- 20
69th --- 32 ...... 77th --- 28 ....... 85th --- 23 ....... 93rd --- 19
70th --- 31 ...... 78th --- 27 ....... 86th --- 23 ....... 94th --- 19
71st --- 31 ...... 79th --- 27 ....... 87th --- 22 ....... 95th --- 18
72nd --- 30 ...... 80th --- 26 ....... 88th --- 22 ....... 96th --- 18

97th --- 17 ...... 105th --- 13 ...... 113rd --- 8 ....... 121st --- 4
98th --- 16 ...... 106th --- 12 ...... 114th --- 8 ....... 122nd --- 4
99th --- 16 ...... 107th --- 12 ...... 115th --- 7 ....... 123rd --- 3
100th -- 15 ...... 108th --- 11 ...... 116th --- 7 ....... 124th --- 3
101st -- 15 ...... 109th --- 11 ...... 117th --- 6 ....... 125th --- 2
102nd -- 14 ...... 110th --- 10 ...... 118th --- 6 ....... 126th --- 2
103rd -- 14 ...... 111st --- 10 ...... 119th --- 5 ....... 127th --- 1
104th -- 13 ...... 112nd --- 9 ....... 120th --- 5 ....... 128th --- 1
Rankings Points for World Tour Masters 1000:
Code:
1st ---- 500 ..... 9th ---- 118 ..... 17th --- 72 ...... 25th --- 52 
2nd ---- 350 ..... 10th --- 112 ..... 18th --- 70 ...... 26th --- 50 
3rd ---- 287 ..... 11th --- 106 ..... 19th --- 67 ...... 27th --- 47 
4th ---- 225 ..... 12th --- 100 ..... 20th --- 65 ...... 28th --- 45 
5th ---- 200 ..... 13th --- 93 ...... 21st --- 62 ...... 29th --- 42 
6th ---- 175 ..... 14th --- 87 ...... 22nd --- 60 ...... 30th --- 40 
7th ---- 150 ..... 15th --- 81 ...... 23rd --- 57 ...... 31st --- 37 
8th ---- 125 ..... 16th --- 75 ...... 24th --- 55 ...... 32nd --- 35 

33rd --- 34 ...... 41st --- 29 ...... 49th --- 24 ...... 57th --- 19
34th --- 33 ...... 42nd --- 28 ...... 50th --- 23 ...... 58th --- 18
35th --- 33 ...... 43rd --- 28 ...... 51st --- 23 ...... 59th --- 18
36th --- 32 ...... 44th --- 27 ...... 52nd --- 22 ...... 60th --- 17
37th --- 31 ...... 45th --- 26 ...... 53rd --- 21 ...... 61st --- 16
38th --- 31 ...... 46th --- 26 ...... 54th --- 21 ...... 62nd --- 16
39th --- 30 ...... 47th --- 25 ...... 55th --- 20 ...... 63rd --- 15
40th --- 30 ...... 48th --- 25 ...... 56th --- 20 ...... 64th --- 15

65th --- 14 ...... 73rd --- 11 ...... 81st --- 7 ....... 89th --- 4
66th --- 14 ...... 74th --- 10 ...... 82sd --- 7 ....... 90th --- 3
67th --- 13 ...... 75th --- 10 ...... 83rd --- 6 ....... 91st --- 3
68th --- 13 ...... 76th --- 9 ....... 84th --- 6 ....... 92nd --- 2
69th --- 12 ...... 77th --- 9 ....... 85th --- 5 ....... 93rd --- 2
70th --- 12 ...... 78th --- 8 ....... 86th --- 5 ....... 94th --- 1
71st --- 11 ...... 79th --- 8 ....... 87th --- 4 ....... 95th --- 1
72nd --- 11 ...... 80th --- 8 ....... 88th --- 4 ....... 96th --- 1
Rankings Points for World Tour 500:
Code:
1st ---- 300 ..... 9th ---- 68 ...... 17th --- 24 ...... 25th --- 19 
2nd ---- 210 ..... 10th --- 62 ...... 18th --- 23 ...... 26th --- 18 
3rd ---- 172 ..... 11th --- 56 ...... 19th --- 23 ...... 27th --- 18 
4th ---- 135 ..... 12th --- 50 ...... 20th --- 22 ...... 28th --- 17 
5th ---- 120 ..... 13th --- 43 ...... 21st --- 21 ...... 29th --- 16 
6th ---- 105 ..... 14th --- 37 ...... 22nd --- 21 ...... 30th --- 16 
7th ---- 90 ...... 15th --- 31 ...... 23rd --- 20 ...... 31st --- 15 
8th ---- 75 ...... 16th --- 25 ...... 24th --- 20 ...... 32nd --- 15 

33rd --- 14 ...... 41st --- 11 ...... 49th --- 7 ....... 57th --- 4
34th --- 14 ...... 42nd --- 10 ...... 50th --- 7 ....... 58th --- 3
35th --- 13 ...... 43rd --- 10 ...... 51st --- 6 ....... 59th --- 3
36th --- 13 ...... 44th --- 9 ....... 52nd --- 6 ....... 60th --- 2
37th --- 12 ...... 45th --- 9 ....... 53rd --- 5 ....... 61st --- 2
38th --- 12 ...... 46th --- 8 ....... 54th --- 5 ....... 62nd --- 1
39th --- 11 ...... 47th --- 8 ....... 55th --- 4 ....... 63rd --- 1
40th --- 11 ...... 48th --- 8 ....... 56th --- 4 ....... 64th --- 1
Rankings Points for World Tour 500 (32 players):
Code:
1st ---- 300 ..... 9th ---- 68 ...... 17th --- 23 ...... 25th --- 11 
2nd ---- 210 ..... 10th --- 62 ...... 18th --- 22 ...... 26th --- 10 
3rd ---- 172 ..... 11th --- 56 ...... 19th --- 20 ...... 27th --- 8 
4th ---- 135 ..... 12th --- 50 ...... 20th --- 19 ...... 28th --- 7 
5th ---- 120 ..... 13th --- 43 ...... 21st --- 17 ...... 29th --- 5
6th ---- 105 ..... 14th --- 37 ...... 22nd --- 16 ...... 30th --- 4 
7th ---- 90 ...... 15th --- 31 ...... 23rd --- 14 ...... 31st --- 2 
8th ---- 75 ...... 16th --- 25 ...... 24th --- 13 ...... 32nd --- 1
Rankings Points for World Tour 250:
Code:
1st ---- 200 ..... 9th ---- 46 ...... 17th --- 19 ...... 25th --- 14 
2nd ---- 140 ..... 10th --- 42 ...... 18th --- 18 ...... 26th --- 13 
3rd ---- 115 ..... 11th --- 38 ...... 19th --- 18 ...... 27th --- 13 
4th ---- 90 ...... 12th --- 35 ...... 20th --- 17 ...... 28th --- 12 
5th ---- 80 ...... 13th --- 31 ...... 21st --- 16 ...... 29th --- 11 
6th ---- 70 ...... 14th --- 27 ...... 22nd --- 16 ...... 30th --- 11 
7th ---- 60 ...... 15th --- 23 ...... 23rd --- 15 ...... 31st --- 10 
8th ---- 50 ...... 16th --- 20 ...... 24th --- 15 ...... 32nd --- 10 

33rd --- 9 ....... 41st --- 7 ....... 49th --- 5 ....... 57th --- 2
34th --- 9 ....... 42nd --- 7 ....... 50th --- 4 ....... 58th --- 2
35th --- 9 ....... 43rd --- 6 ....... 51st --- 4 ....... 59th --- 2
36th --- 8 ....... 44th --- 6 ....... 52nd --- 4 ....... 60th --- 2
37th --- 8 ....... 45th --- 6 ....... 53rd --- 4 ....... 61st --- 1
38th --- 8 ....... 46th --- 6 ....... 54th --- 3 ....... 62nd --- 1
39th --- 8 ....... 47th --- 5 ....... 55th --- 3 ....... 63rd --- 1
40th --- 7 ....... 48th --- 5 ....... 56th --- 3 ....... 64th --- 1
Rankings Points for World Tour 250 (32 players):
Code:
1st ---- 200 ..... 9th ---- 45 ...... 17th --- 14 ...... 25th --- 7 
2nd ---- 140 ..... 10th --- 41 ...... 18th --- 13 ...... 26th --- 6 
3rd ---- 115 ..... 11th --- 36 ...... 19th --- 12 ...... 27th --- 5 
4th ---- 90 ...... 12th --- 32 ...... 20th --- 11 ...... 28th --- 4 
5th ---- 80 ...... 13th --- 28 ...... 21st --- 10 ...... 29th --- 3 
6th ---- 70 ...... 14th --- 23 ...... 22nd --- 9 ....... 30th --- 2 
7th ---- 60 ...... 15th --- 19 ...... 23rd --- 8 ....... 31st --- 1 
8th ---- 50 ...... 16th --- 15 ...... 24th --- 8 ....... 32nd --- 1
Rankings Points for TMC:
Code:
1st ---- 750 ..... 9th ---- 177
2nd ---- 525 ..... 10th --- 168
3rd ---- 431 ..... 11th --- 159
4th ---- 337 ..... 12th --- 150
5th ---- 300 ..... 13th --- 140
6th ---- 262 ..... 14th --- 131
7th ---- 225 ..... 15th --- 121
8th ---- 187 ..... 16th --- 112
 

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@Arsenalex @bhamism @BMT360 @bry17may @Eddy DoubleD @Ponas Donny @Pratik

There's now a quick and time-saving way to submit your picks for FITD by exporting your bracket data from Tennis Draw Challenge. Using BMT360's 2016 Brisbane bracket as an example:

Step 1: Fill in the bracket and save.

Step 2: View your bracket and scroll to the bottom, then click on "List" next to Export Bracket.



Step 3: Now you should see a text list of your picks in the FITD format ready to be copied and pasted onto the forum posts.

This should save a lot of time especially with the Australian Open draw size, and no spelling mistakes this way!

Below is the automatically generated format of BMT's picks
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2016 Brisbane [ATP]: BMT360
R1
Federer
Mitchell
Troicki
Simon
Cilic
Chung
Kudla
Thiem
Goffin
Nishioka
Dodig
Raonic
Tomic
Stepanek
Kukushkin
Nishikori
R2
Federer
Simon
Cilic
Thiem
Goffin
Raonic
Tomic
Nishikori
QF
Federer
Cilic
Goffin
Nishikori
SF
Federer
Nishikori
F
Federer
 

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@Thexc: But do you need an account to use that feature? Some people might not want to do that, but it is an interesting feature that could help improve the FITD experience for the players (because for the managers it doesn't make much difference giving how good is bhamism's spreadsheet).
 

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I'm thinking the same thing :lol: I mean it would be a nice feature for players, but it should be more readily available. Shouldn't the fact that people use the website be enough? Do they have to do an account too? :lol:
 

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@Eddy DoubleD @BMT360 Lol it does seem like I'm doing a sales pitch haha but there is no company here; it's all volunteer work by tennis fans who enjoy playing these bracket/draw games and want to save a bit of time. We started out doing Excel spreadsheets too but in order to do more calculations and stats we had to try something else. It's indeed possible to do a lot with Excel but there are still some drawbacks.

The account making is just a way to save your draw (which would automatically update with qualifier names and it would be easier to make partial changes). Guest access could work but then you'd have to do the entire draw over again to make a change? Or the guest draw could be accessed with a unique link or token but then it'd be no different than making an account. If there's a concern with using your email to register, the email is needed if you forget your password, but you could always use a junk email account or even fake email as long as you remember your password. Email login is just a slightly more secure way to log in to an account (since everyone can see your username but not everyone would know your email for guessing credentials).
 
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