[Stan del Potro]

We read today that Federer said Nadal is GOAT in history. And this is just an example of his tennis career in the most important matches like Wimbledon 2008, US Open 2015 or Wimbledon this year. He always loses in important moments because he's in mental part weak and so he is a fan of Nadal because he is strong in that

Djokovic stronger but he doesn't want to see it now. He will see it in many years

Discuss.

 

[Jolyon]

He already stated who the greatest is. Leave him alone.

Please.

 

[ProudSerb]

GOAT thread. Fed will always be No. 3. No. 4 if hardcourts don't exist.

 

[décentré]

I like the bold way in which you present ideas that are so stale they make breathing look interesting.

 

[Terrible--one]

He accepted Rafa's domination way back in 2005. I mean by that he refused to adapt his game when it was clear it wasn't working against him.

Fed is content in letting you beat him by being clutch and scrambling all over the court : he will lose with the consolation of being pretty and artistic.

 

[AskTheQuestion]

It is not possible to find a GOAT.
Federer probably has the least holes in his GOAT resume is the best way to put it.
That he is 23-26 at 38 y.o. against a 16 time slam winner who is 6 years younger than him, and 6-1 in the last 7 matches against a 19 time slam winner 5 years younger to him should be enough for evaluating how great he is.
I am not sure if we will find another player with that kind of a record against ATGs of the next generation.

 

[IBM]

Nobody said that Federer is the greatest cause of his mindset, maybe despite even. However, he holds most of the records for now and is therefore by many considered as the GOAT. This is such an arbitrary discussion anyway depending on which stats you focus on and which you rather ignore. Those losses you’re mentioning could also be counted for the other two: Nadal’s loss to Wawrinka in Melbourne, AO ‘17 final, Wimby ‘18 SF; Djokovic’s recent USO loss for #1 reasons, RG ‘15, USO ‘16 and many more as well.

Look, there’s no perfect tennis player and many ‘Fedtards’ and big3tards in general are realising it the past months and tending against their favs due to that loss of idealism and perfection. All in all those three will end up with an impeccable CV and sometimes people gotta chill out and simply enjoy the probably last phase of the big3/4.

 

[Terrible--one]

It is not possible to find a GOAT.
Federer probably has the least holes in his GOAT resume is the best way to put it.
That he is 23-26 at 38 y.o. against a 16 time slam winner who is 6 years younger than him, and 6-1 in the last 7 matches against a 19 time slam winner 5 years younger to him should be enough for evaluating how great he is.
I am not sure if we will find another player with that kind of a record against ATGs of the next generation.

The other side to it is he was regularly losing to Rafa and Novak when he was right at the top of his game while they were just freshmen on the tour.

Fed was 1-6 vs Rafa for their first 7 matches, including 1-2 on hard !

It's all nice and good to beat him when Rafa's gotten older and Fed discovered new technology: when he was at his very best, he couldn't do nothing against teen Rafa.

 

[RoigerFederah]

The other side to it is he was regularly losing to Rafa and Novak when he was right at the top of his game while they were just freshmen on the tour.

Fed was 1-6 vs Rafa for their first 7 matches, including 1-2 on hard !

It's all nice and good to beat him when Rafa's gotten older and Fed discovered new technology: when he was at his very best, he couldn't do nothing against teen Rafa.

Sure lad, cause by the time a 5 years older Federer discovered "the new technology", Rafael is playing with a wooden racquet. Of course, by the same logic, Rafael has gotten older, but at the same time, Federer didn't, he is still 26 yo. Oh wait.

 

[Terrible--one]

Sure lad, cause by the time a 5 years older Federer discovered "the new technology", Rafael is playing with a wooden racquet. Of course, by the same logic, Rafael has gotten older, but at the same time, Federer didn't, he is still 26 yo. Oh wait.

If you want to argue Fed's level of play is the best ever for a +35 year old, i'll concede.

But careers don't begin at 35.

 

[bighax]

Sure lad, cause by the time a 5 years older Federer discovered "the new technology", Rafael is playing with a wooden racquet. Of course, by the same logic, Rafael has gotten older, but at the same time, Federer didn't, he is still 26 yo. Oh wait.

When they were both peaking, Rafa owned Federer. He's even dethroned him at his turf in a final! Imagine Fed doing that at RG...

He's done pretty well versus Djokovic but the choked slams are a stain. He is two levels below Djokodal in mentality.

 

[Terrible--one]

Fed only managed to win a total 4 sets in 6 tries at RG.

Never even went to a fifth set.

 

[Hamdam]

Nadal didn't 'dethrone' Fed at Wimby... it was mono.

anyway, USO 15 is not a 'important match' compared the giants like WI 19 and AO 17.

 

[bighax]

Nadal didn't 'dethrone' Fed at Wimby... it was mono.

anyway, USO 15 is not a 'important match' compared the giants like WI 19 and AO 17.

I see Fedtards now have their own version of "Healthy Nadal never loses". Was it also mono in 2007 when he got taken to five?

 

[cmchelsea]

At worst he'll be considered the third greatest of all-time, that's despite all these close finals he's lost. It's hardly a secret that both Nadal and Djokovic are mentally stronger than Federer in important moments in matches and despite all that he still hasn't lost to Nadal in years on HC and still overall leads the slam race.

Also he's had the abillity and mental strength to come back from these defeats more often than not. After the tough 5 set loss to Nadal at Wimby 2008, the 5 set loss to Nadal at AO 2009 and the 5 set loss to delpo in 2009 Federer went on to win the following slam right after these losses, that certainly isnt a sign of mental weakness.

 

[SetPointDown]

He's choked a lot no doubt- should've been close to 25 slams by now tbh.

 

[AskTheQuestion]

The other side to it is he was regularly losing to Rafa and Novak when he was right at the top of his game while they were just freshmen on the tour.

Fed was 1-6 vs Rafa for their first 7 matches, including 1-2 on hard !

It's all nice and good to beat him when Rafa's gotten older and Fed discovered new technology: when he was at his very best, he couldn't do nothing against teen Rafa.

We know why he was 1-6 against Baby Rafa. Baby Rafa wasn't a better player than peak Fed anywhere except clay, which is proved by his numerous non-clay losses to several players who had hopeless records like 0-14, 2-12, 1-15 against Fed himself.
Fed wasn't "regularly losing" to baby Novak. In fact, Murray had a much better record against peak Fed.
Fed-Nole was 9-5 until end of 2009. Fed-Murray was 4-6 in comparison.

 

[Chicot]

We read today that Federer said Nadal is GOAT in history. And this is just an example of his tennis career in the most important matches like Wimbledon 2008, US Open 2015 or Wimbledon this year. He always loses in important moments because he's in mental part weak and so he is a fan of Nadal because he is strong in that

Djokovic stronger but he doesn't want to see it now. He will see it in many years

Discuss.

Who is the GOAT is not determined by 1 factor alone. All 3 of them have their own strengths and weaknesses. I don't think you'd get much argument that both Rafa and Novak are mentally stronger than Roger but there are other aspects in which he is superior to them. When all 3 of them are done we'll be able to see better where each of them stand in the GOAT arguement.

 

[TheLastJedi]

The only reason Rogie in the GOAT discussion is that vultured 09RG.

So let's just acknowledge that he is the solid #3 and move on.

 

[SetPointDown]

The only reason Rogie in the GOAT discussion is that vultured 09RG.

So let's just acknowledge that he is the solid #3 and move on.

Nadal has vultured countless more so he shouldn't even be in the debate