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This isn't even a GOAT debate thread or a 40-15 thread....

Im curious about the genetic make up of Federer and Djokovic....

Both of these guys have been practically injury free for most of their career....

Many other players have promise but then have something serious happen to them ... that makes them never the same. Knee, shoulder, elbow , wrist, etc. Or some players just get continously injured.

I'm curious how both of these guys can continue to play , move so well around the court at an advanced age , while also avoiding injury?

Does it have anything to do with how their body is shaped, foot work , etc?

I remember once that ESPN did an exsposay on Federer and said his body is engineered for tennis with his legs and arm length, and height too... but I cant find the link.
 

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This isn't even a GOAT debate thread or a 40-15 thread....

Im curious about the genetic make up of Federer and Djokovic....

Both of these guys have been practically injury free for most of their career....

Many other players have promise but then have something serious happen to them ... that makes them never the same. Knee, shoulder, elbow , wrist, etc. Or some players just get continously injured.

I'm curious how both of these guys can continue to play , move so well around the court at an advanced age , while also avoiding injury?

Does it have anything to do with how their body is shaped, foot work , etc?

I remember once that ESPN did an exsposay on Federer and said his body is engineered for tennis with his legs and arm length, and height too... but I cant find the link.
It has a ton to do with luck as well as both having extremely qualified specialists with them and following their advice.

Pierre Paganini has been with Federer for 25 years or so and Roger set the bar for training. Novak is also legendary in his training and discipline.

But yes, brute luck plays a huge role in addition to good technique and the right mindset and prep. They are both relatively light and lithe guys with really good power transference through the kinetic chain.

On the other side, there's Brian Baker who must have had the worst luck for a guy with obvious talent.
 

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It has a ton to do with luck as well as both having extremely qualified specialists with them and following their advice.

Pierre Paganini has been with Federer for 25 years or so and Roger set the bar for training. Novak is also legendary in his training and discipline.

But yes, brute luck plays a huge role in addition to good technique and the right mindset and prep. They have both relatively light guys with really good power transference through the kinetic chain.

On the other side, there's Brian Baker who must have had the worst luck for a guy with obvious talent.
Yeah maybe that too. Federer rarely falls over and Djokovic has fallen over hundreds of times , but he doesn't get inured... Then you get some guys who just twist their ankle or Del Potro who shatters his knee from one fall!

Poor Brian Baker.... and many other guys out there. I'm sure there a number of Federer's , Djokovic's out there who have been destroyed by one simple injury.
 

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Whereas our poor Nadalito was riddled with countless injuries, no, so that he was able to amass only thirteen dominant clay court seasons so far (2009 included because of AO title + IW,MC,Rome titles + Madrid final), by playing at his 50% after USO, no.
 

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Whereas our poor Nadalito was riddled with injuries, so that he was only able to amass thirteen dominant clay court seasons so far (2009 included because of AO title + IW,MC,Rome titles + Madrid final)
Nadal's injuries sort of make sense... but for him , he access to the best medical team in the world. He probably has the most taxing playstyle in tennis history, I wouldn't be surprised if his body will pay the price when he is older..
 
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Yeah maybe that too. Federer rarely falls over and Djokovic has fallen over hundreds of times , but he doesn't get inured... Then you get some guys who just twist their ankle or Del Potro who shatters his knee from one fall!
Del Potro is 198 cm and 100 kg though, that's not exactly the perfect build for the conditions. Djokovic also has pretty insane warm-up routines and has been doing that for ages.




 

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Federer has had three knee surgeries and consistent back issues throughout his career, as well as mono in 08. Djokovic had gluten intolerance issues, wrist issues and elbow surgery. Nadal has been by far the most fortunate: no serious surgeries and no serious illnesses or medical conditions.
 

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Federer has had three knee surgeries and consistent back issues throughout his career, as well as mono in 08. Djokovic had gluten intolerance issues, wrist issues and elbow surgery. Nadal has been by far the most fortunate: no serious surgeries and no serious illnesses or medical conditions.
Young Djokovic also had some breathing difficulties in bo5 matches due to problems with allergies and the nasal septum deviation or something, but Fedalovic were all pretty lucky with injuries considering their longevity at the very top of the game.

Nadal's congenital foot issue obviously was not that big of a problem as some thought 10-15 years ago.

Of course, they forged a lot of their own luck by leaving no stone unturned, probably spending millions of dollars on the prevention and curing, something not many tennis players are willing to do or simply can't afford it, and those champions in the past who maybe could afford it, usually were not able to, because sports medicine was not as advanced back then.
 

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40-15erer's luck is primarily being born 5/6 years earlier than Rafa/King which gave him the perfect window to vulture as many slams as possible before they came along, giving him a severely inflated slam count.
 

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Yeah maybe that too. Federer rarely falls over and Djokovic has fallen over hundreds of times , but he doesn't get inured... Then you get some guys who just twist their ankle or Del Potro who shatters his knee from one fall!

Poor Brian Baker.... and many other guys out there. I'm sure there a number of Federer's , Djokovic's out there who have been destroyed by one simple injury.
Speaking of that, what's with Djokovic and all those stumblings and losses of balance? It's so weird that he is, on the one hand, as flexible as Gumby and as agile and nimble as a greyhound, and on the other hand, he has been just randomly stumbling on the court like he was a drunken sailor for over a decade now. I've never seen any other professional athlete losing their balance so many times and in such random situations as him. Is he overacting it? If he isn't: what's the deal then? If he is: why?
 

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40-15erer's luck is primarily being born 5/6 years earlier than Rafa/King which gave him the perfect window to vulture as many slams as possible before they came along, giving him a severely inflated slam count.
Imagine 6 years younger Federer playing Djokovic in WB 19 and AO 20. he’d have straight setted him both times. So I’m not sure about your theory, which in the end is just a theory crafted by djokotards that can obviously never be proven with the sole purpose of making Federer look worse
 

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40-15erer's luck is primarily being born 5/6 years earlier than Rafa/King which gave him the perfect window to vulture as many slams as possible before they came along, giving him a severely inflated slam count.
Defaultovic's genetic luck is having such a high bordedom threshold that he never falls asleep during his own soporific matches.
 

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Imagine 6 years younger Federer playing Djokovic in WB 19 and AO 20. he’d have straight setted him both times. So I’m not sure about your theory, which in the end is just a theory crafted by djokotards that can obviously never be proven with the sole purpose of making Federer look worse
6 years younger Federer got destroyed by Stakhovsky at Wimbledon and by Nadal at AO (who is Novak's turkey on a HC btw). Let's also remember that Federer lost to Tsonga, Berdych, Raonic, Anderson, Nadal, and barely beat his turkey Roddick.
 

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6 years younger Federer got destroyed by Stakhovsky at Wimbledon and by Nadal at AO (who is Novak's turkey on a HC btw). Let's also remember that Federer lost to Tsonga, Berdych, Raonic, Anderson, Nadal, and barely beat his turkey Roddick.
That’s another reason this theory doesn’t work. Who guarantees that a 6-year-younger federer would have the exact same injury problems at the exact same age?
however the losses to tsonga Berdych raonic and Anderson were inexcusable. That’s true and it was fucking embarrassing especially the tsonga and anderson Matches.
 

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I said this wasn't a GOAT thread or 40-15 thread.

Thanks DjokoKing for derailing.

@Time Violation very true. Djokovic is one of the most flexible guys on the tour. I'm sure the warm up routines done by the Big 3 also help avoid injuries , as their bodies will be as responsive as possible, the more stretched and relaxed they are.
 
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