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What, where when????

Federer used to be the TB GOAT. He had a higher winning percentage than Isner in TBs. And now he's losing all tiebreaks?? And it's costing him a lot this year!

1- Who know's if he'd won the TB at AO2014 SF vs Rafa.
2- Losing 3rd set TB vs Nole at IWs Final.
3- Losing 2nd set TB vs Waw at MC Final.

What is wrong? Discuss!
 

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he was simply not focused today. tipycal MTF overreaction imo
 

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he was simply not focused today. tipycal MTF overreaction imo
Surely you're seeing he's losing many TBs. What is the reason for that?

And there's a reason he fell second place behind John Isner in all time TB record.
 

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I agree his general performance in tiebreaks has gone downhill, but I wouldn't call him a "TB choker". His YTD record is 7-7, and today's tiebreak was the only one he lost from a winning position (i.e. SP/MP).
 

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Main tour record:

<2007 175-97 64.3%
>=2007 159-83 65.7%


Alternatively:

<2007 175-97 64.3%
07-11 117-52 69.2%
>=2012 42-31 57.5%


Lacking sample size quite badly on that latter one though.
 

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Well it's not in 2006 anymore. Federer hasn't been anywhere close to his Prime after 2010, he has had some good matches and wins but even in those wins he was a far cry from what he used to be back in 2004-2007.
 

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Where have you been? A time machine junkie, are you? You were 12 in 2004.

The fat snails quit tennis and moped around the tour if they weren't top tenners and 4-7 winners of titles each year since 2004.
We're not talking about tiebreak winners in San Jose and Houston clay.
We love masters1000, where no mind tripping fool bowed down to fed in QFs, semis & finals...
 

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He didn't have the advantage because chardy double faulted to give him a mini break,
and the vacuous umpire fouled up
Chardy's 4-3 advantage in the third set with his ignorance.
 

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Well it's not in 2006 anymore. Federer hasn't been anywhere close to his Prime after 2010, he has had some good matches and wins but even in those wins he was a far cry from what he used to be back in 2004-2007.
ummmmmm that ain't saying much.. those were the years before rafa reached full, all-surface maturity and before the djoker made his first slam final.. :rolleyes:
 

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ummmmmm that ain't saying much.. those were the years before rafa reached full, all-surface maturity and before the djoker made his first slam final.. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: This argument is such a joke. Nadal was winning hard court masters by 2005 and got to his first Wimbledon final in 2006. If Federer's results in those years get discounted, then Nadal's results for 2012-present should be discounted since Federer has clearly declined and Djokovic isn't at the level he was in 2011.

By your logic, any results of any player in history, prior to 2008, should be discounted since they didn't have to play Nadal in his "full, all-surface maturity."
 

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Djoker declined in 2008-2010 then rose in late 2010 with his alien egg pod zipping over federer's head.
 

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:rolleyes: This argument is such a joke. Nadal was winning hard court masters by 2005 and got to his first Wimbledon final in 2006. If Federer's results in those years get discounted, then Nadal's results for 2012-present should be discounted since Federer has clearly declined and Djokovic isn't at the level he was in 2011.
LOL why the hell would I discount rafa's results 2012-present? isn't rafa declining too, you twit? what? do you think roger's the only one who's declining? you insult my argument and then come back at me with the ultimate gem of idiocy? cute.. :facepalm:

if we're gonna play the 'discounting' game, it would make infinitely more sense to discount any of roger's results during rafa's tendinitis absence from june of 2009- april of 2010 or from rafa's early exit at wimbledon in 2012, because:

1. the onus is on roger as the eternal loser of that h2h matchup as we all know..

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2. the 'decline' excuse is all played out and it's entirely too subjective a parameter anyway..

i.e., some players actually save their best for the end of their careers against certain tough rivals while others simply never recover.. unfortunately for roger, he's in the latter category vis a vis rafa.. however, that ain't rafa's fault! just because roger decided to play mental possum against rafa since the now-epic 2008 globally televised r-ape in the roland garros final, should not suggest that rafa ought to give up any of his results.. in fact, 2008 and beyond merely represent roger's 'mental' capitulation to rafa and declines usually have to do with the physical realm..

the bottomline's that rafa won 10 of his 13 majors prior to 2012, during roger's prime.. :wavey:

By your logic, any results of any player in history, prior to 2008, should be discounted since they didn't have to play Nadal in his "full, all-surface maturity."
no, only those belonging to former number ones that rafa's dethroned and wiped the floor with like he has with roger.. again, before rafa's maturity as an all-surface player, roger had won 2 of his 6 slam meetings against rafa.. but since rafa's full maturity as an all-surface player (post '08 french open), roger hasn't ben able to beat rafa at the slams, trailing rafa 0:5 so far.. you do the math!
 

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Fed: "I don't stop fighting". Who hates legends more than fed does? He proved he was never the best of all time because he was an arrogant evil winner who bragged that he dominated "the tour for 5 months" in 2011 & 2012.

He's a vile sore loser who grinned at his injured turkey a decade ago, took pisses at Djoker for beating him like a drum, and loved the djoker 16 injuries/SARS insult.

The year 2004 was when he feared losing to turkeys so he was allowed to skip DAVIS CUP.
Losing the Olympics to hassss was painful enough.
the turkey beat him in 2012 Miami and suddenly he was unemotional.
How devilish the fedal fans are now that they can't handle hearing about the #2 player of 2004-2006 weak era.
It's so painful for them to admit that turkey tried to copy fed's game and that delusional fed showed his many true colors and weaknesses in 2006 (nalbandian quit his French open semi bid, safin & hewitt were absent, Baghdatis was a choker, kiefer choked against fed at Wimbledon).
Oranges was a rabid Roddick fan in 2006 too. Poor thing has nothing but thesis after thesis for no one .
 

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Roger has always been a serial BP choker. I am not surprised by his tie-break defeats. But he did win the one that mattered against Roddick at Wimbledon
 

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roflmao! oh yeah, roddick, that towering 'mental giant'! :facepalm:
Who gives a s***. He won that Wimbledon when he should have lost it. You know it, and I know it. Like I said, Roger is terrible in important BP points in big matches. He always bank on creating more chances. Well, you don't always get that in tie-breaks. That tie-break win from 6-2 down was priceless!
 

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Federer's mental strength is one of the most misunderstood concepts in tennis. He is historically one of the clutchest players of all time when nobody is paying attention, and arguably one of the worst pressure players when everything is on the line in a very important match. Consider the typical matches people think of when they're asked about the GOAT matches of the 21st century.

Federer LOSES to Safin, AO 2005 after having MP
Federer LOSES to Nadal, Rome 2006 after having 2 MP
Federer LOSES to Nadal, Wimby 2008 after squandering a zillion break points and failing to convert on one late in the final set.
Federer LOSES to Djokovic, USO 2011 after letting 2 MPs slip by. He did the same at USO 2010 - lower quality match but same level of importance.
Federer LOSES to Nadal, AO 2009 despite Nadal playing close to 5 hours the night before and having triple BP at 4-4 in the 3rd set.

Now let's look at the matches where Fed won that are also considered GOAT matches:

Federer BEATS Nadal Wimby 2007. Admittedly, clutch from Fed - down 2 BPs in the 5th, found a way to survive and come through. Not usually considered as great as any of the aforementioned matches, however.

And that's...about...it. Sometimes you'll see Fed vs Sampras 2001 Wimby, and that was indeed clutch from Fed to save multiple BPs in the 5th, but Sampras really played like crap for the majority of that match.
 
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