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Especially Fed fans, but Rafa fans too against Nole, have you lowered your expectations?

I have and have been able to sleep peacefully ever since! :wavey: :angel:
 

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All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


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the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.
 

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Roger, Nadal..

Djokovic best

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^^I don't think that Federer is the type of guy to retire on a high. If he wins another Slam I think his mindset will be 'I'm in good enough form to win more' rather than 'let's finish on a high'.
 

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All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


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the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.
It seems you haven't lowered your expectations. It's almost the best situation we can expect that Fed ranks No.2 and avoids Rafa in semis. I don't think he will retire after defeating Nole and Rafa at the same slam. On the contrary, if he can return to No.2 or No.1, he definitely stands a better chance to win more slams and I don't think he will let the chance go.
And yes, I haven't lowered my expectations... pathetically.
 

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All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.
That is true. Federer could not beat both Rafa and Fed in the same slam, neither could Nadal.

How would that even work?
 
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That is true. Federer could not beat both Rafa and Fed in the same slam, neither could Nadal.

How would that even work?
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That is true. Federer could not beat both Rafa and Fed in the same slam, neither could Nadal.

How would that even work?
With the Flux capacitor, 2004-2006 fed could do it. In fact, he could beat nole, nadul, and olderer at wimbledon and the us open for sure. Just would have to make sure not to shake hands with olderer.
 

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Federer is a real expert at defeating himself over and over again. His chokes and numerous mental walkabouts are proof to my claim.
 

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^^I don't think that Federer is the type of guy to retire on a high. If he wins another Slam I think his mindset will be 'I'm in good enough form to win more' rather than 'let's finish on a high'.
I think and I hope he is as you say : I don't understand and don't like the fans who ask "retiring on a high".

I like watching him play even if he doesn't win, have pleasant memories of McEnroe's and Connors's carreer ends,

and anyway getting old and declining is just a normal part of everybody's life : I think it's good to accept it :shrug:

As for the OP's question, yes I've lowered my expectations about Fed since Djokovic became so great and also Nadal stayed at a very high level (and also the game becoming so physical on slow surfaces, and now we hear that the super-saturday won't be cancelled this year, which is bad news for Fed) : I used to think that Fed would still win one or two more slams, now I know it's very possible that he doesn't win one anymore.

That's why yes, contrary to what some people think on MTF, I'm very happy (as he is himself) when he wins a tournament like Rotterdam or even Stockholm :shrug:

Just like McEnroe's and Connors's carreer ends.

I didn't like Sampras's carreer end because I think it didn't give a good example to common people in their life : it's very important imo that people accept getting old and declining to feel peaceful and happy (I know many people who can't accept it), and then I think it's not a right example.

Sampras made his personal choice, which I respect, he was a great player, but I hate all the comments which say that "it was the best ending ; it should be like that" : no I don't think people should think like that in their own life in general, and also I don't want Federer to retire early, even if he's number 20 in the world he will still have some good moments (I hope he stays in top-4 still for a while though)
 

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All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


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the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.

The US open is the worst slam. They have a shitty tie break in the 5th set, the scheduling borders on lunacy, no roof resulting in rain delay after rain delay and the crowds are noisy and continuously interrupt play.
 

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the game is so brutal nowadays that I simply don't think that Fed will win another slam... he could if Nole and Rafa are injured, who knows? regardless, I'd love to see Nole vs. Rog at Wimbledon. It would be so much fun.
 

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All i know is this. In the top 3 in the men's game, djokovic is the only one capable of beating both rafa and fed in the same slam.

Roger is 2400 points behind nadal. If he wins rotterdam and rafa's doesn't play madrid as rumored; there is a shot for roger to get to number 2 before roland garros or even after if rafa doesn't defend the french rafa loses 800 points and roger could have number 2 rank for wimbledon.

Bottom line if nole-rafa are in the same half, federer will at least have a legit shot to actually win a final as opposed to fed beating nole in a semi and then flopping to nadal as expected. Wimbledon is still fed's best shot to beat djokovic and the only place he could conceivably have a chance to beat them both.

I still think fed will do it once before he retires at a slam. If he somehow beats nole and rafa at the same slam. That is how he should end his career...And be the last federer memory


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the us open is not changing their super saturday for 2012 with the men's semi and final on saturday and sunday. If federer has the number 2 rank and gets murray whereas nadal will draw nole in the semi's. Fed-murray will go first obviouly, and then nadal-nole will kill themselves...

If there is no rain delay; and nole-rafa play 5-6 hr semi; fed will most likely win the us open if his match was light which it always is less demanding physically.
Good post, but largely predicated on an unlikely event, Fed's getting back to No. 2. Even so, I still believe Fed will win one more slam before he retires. Clearly that expectation is lower than the expectation I used to have, that he would win every slam he entered.
 

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At the start of 2007 I predicted/guessed that Nadal and Federer would combine for 27 slams. Later (2009-2011) I thought they would easily get 6 more, but yes now I lowered these expectations again. I think they won't get over 30 slams together.

It is all natural to overestimate some tennis players when they are at their peak/the top for a long time already. The winning will stop one day and because they are at the top for years they must be near to losing more often. On the other hand the latest results show they are the best at the moment so it looks like a good bet they will win again.
 

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^^I don't think that Federer is the type of guy to retire on a high. If he wins another Slam I think his mindset will be 'I'm in good enough form to win more' rather than 'let's finish on a high'.
I think in yesterday's interview Fed said he would like to play 5 more years, something like that.
 

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My expectations for fed are greatly reduced. I see him winning only 4-6 more slams.
 
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